No sound from record player.

Posted by: Lanesra on 27 November 2016

I recently bit the bullet and purchased a second-hand LP12. I had it sent to the Sound Organisation for servicing, setting-up and a few upgrades.

During the demo yesterday it was sounding great. I've now installed it at home and I'm not getting any sound from it.

I've run out of ideas on what else to do. I have disconnected and reconnected the LP12 and my Stageline several times from my system without  any joy.

When I had my Mantra, I didn't have any problems with hearing music from my record player.

What else can I do to enjoy listening to records again?

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by yeti42

I used to get music from my Mantra too, a shame they packed it in. 

There's a 272 involved so I can't help with the main question I'm afraid, you may have to read the manual to check the default settings.

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by Tony2011

Without stating the obvious, have you checked the cartridge elements  are connected properly to their respective terminals and  is compatible with the Stageline, MM or MC type?

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by Richard Dane

Rob, double check your connections.  Particularly the signal out from the Hicap that powers your Stageline to one of the inputs on your NAC-N272.  Also make sure the tonearm cable plug is firmly connected to the base of the tonearm.

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by hungryhalibut

Are you saying that you simply disconnected the Mantra from the stageline and then plugged in the Linn, and have changed nothing else?

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by Adam Zielinski

Make sure that the analogue input is enabled on the N272.

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by Lanesra
Tony2011 posted:

Without stating the obvious, have you checked the cartridge elements  are connected properly to their respective terminals and  is compatible with the Stageline, MM or MC type?

Tony2011. The Sound Organisation set up the deck, including installing the cartridge. It was working fine in their demo room. The cartridge I had on my Mantra was also a Goldring GL1042, so I didn't need to change my Stageline, which is the MM type.

Richard Dane posted:

Rob, double check your connections.  Particularly the signal out from the Hicap that powers your Stageline to one of the inputs on your NAC-N272.  Also make sure the tonearm cable plug is firmly connected to the base of the tonearm.

I'm just dismantling my system again so I can get to my Hi-Cap. I'll keep you posted if it was the power supply connection.

Hungryhalibut posted:

Are you saying that you simply disconnected the Mantra from the stageline and then plugged in the Linn, and have changed nothing else?

More or less! I also had to dismantle my racks so I could place the Lingo on the shelf above my Hi-Cap. The Sound Organisation fitted a new Goldring GL1042 on the LP12. My Mantra had the same model cartridge, but several years old.

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by hungryhalibut

If the little green light is working on the stageline you know the power from the Hicap is ok. 

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by Richard Dane

Check the signal connection on the Hicap - the one that goes to the NAC-N272.  It's likely to be via a lavender/grey 4-5 interconnect.

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by Lanesra
I have a minor update. I connected my LP12 through an old Pro-Ject Phono Box SE, (which was previously set up for a GL1042 cartridge) that I connected to Analogue Input 3 of my N272. I can now hear music very quietly, with lots of surface noise.

 

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by Lanesra
Richard Dane posted:

Check the signal connection on the Hicap - the one that goes to the NAC-N272.  It's likely to be via a lavender/grey 4-5 interconnect.

I'm confused by this. I had my Stageline connected to my N272 with the grey 4pin to 5pin interconnect and my Hi-Cap connected to my Stageline with the black 5pin to 5pin.

Would it be possible to e-mail me a sketch of how my Hi-Cap, Stageline, N272 and 250 are supposed to be connected, as the connection guide doesn't have my system in it.

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by Richard Dane

OK, that's fine.  You must have a later Stageline (where signal can go directly from the Stageline) so that sounds like it's connected correctly.  

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by Richard Dane

One more thing to check, prompted by your post above where you say signal is weak and noisy via the Project SE, look carefully at the stylus assembly.  Make sure it's completely pushed home into the cart body - there should be no gap (but be careful not to damage the stylus or cantilever when doing this).  What you describe sounds like what you get when the stylus isn't pushed home all the way into the body.

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by Lanesra
Richard Dane posted:

One more thing to check, prompted by your post above where you say signal is weak and noisy via the Project SE, look carefully at the stylus assembly.  Make sure it's completely pushed home into the cart body - there should be no gap (but be careful not to damage the stylus or cantilever when doing this).  What you describe sounds like what you get when the stylus isn't pushed home all the way into the body.

Richard, I've tried pushing the stylus in as far as it will go, but I can't fully close the gap.

Richard Dane posted:

OK, that's fine.  You must have a later Stageline (where signal can go directly from the Stageline) so that sounds like it's connected correctly.  

My Stageline was manufactured earlier this year. Unfortunately, this connection method doesn't seem to be working anymore. Is there an alternative method that I can try?

If not, I'll wait until Tuesday when the Sound Organisation re-opens.

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by TOBYJUG

Have you tried putting a record on it ?

Posted on: 27 November 2016 by Loki

Oh TJ, that 's even beyond me you heartless old pot!

Posted on: 28 November 2016 by Richard Dane

Do you have a picture we can see?  

You may need to back off the tension on the bolts to the cartridge body - then tighten up again.  When the 1042 is done up really tightly it can make sliding the stylus assembly back on fully rather difficult.  

Posted on: 28 November 2016 by hungryhalibut

It would be most odd if the dealer had got it wrong, especially as the deck worked in the shop. A stylus can't suddenly come loose, one would think. It sounds rather more as though a connection is not right, but if the Linn is now connected exactly as the Mantra was it should just work, so that's also most odd. 

Posted on: 28 November 2016 by bluedog
TOBYJUG posted:

Have you tried putting a record on it ?

He clearly states that he has tried to play a record.  Your weak attempt at humour is borderline trolling and at the expense of somebody who is obviously having real trouble trying to get his system sorted. Pack it in.

Posted on: 28 November 2016 by Richard Dane
Hungryhalibut posted:

It would be most odd if the dealer had got it wrong, especially as the deck worked in the shop. A stylus can't suddenly come loose, one would think. It sounds rather more as though a connection is not right, but if the Linn is now connected exactly as the Mantra was it should just work, so that's also most odd. 

HH, it's possible that the stylus was removed for the trip home?

Posted on: 28 November 2016 by Antonio1
Richard Dane posted:

Do you have a picture we can see?  

You may need to back off the tension on the bolts to the cartridge body - then tighten up again.  When the 1042 is done up really tightly it can make sliding the stylus assembly back on fully rather difficult.  

I wouldn't do that with the arm fitted.

Posted on: 28 November 2016 by Lanesra

Thanks everyone for your help. I'm going to wait until tomorrow when the Sound Organisation re-opens and speak to them about it.

Posted on: 28 November 2016 by Christopher_M

At least clear up whether or not the stylus was removed from the cartridge body for transport though....

Chris

Posted on: 28 November 2016 by Richard Dane
Antonio1 posted:
Richard Dane posted:

Do you have a picture we can see?  

You may need to back off the tension on the bolts to the cartridge body - then tighten up again.  When the 1042 is done up really tightly it can make sliding the stylus assembly back on fully rather difficult.  

I wouldn't do that with the arm fitted.

Correct - always either detach the arm wand or remove the arm from the base collar before attempting any tightening/loosening of the cartridge bolts, otherwise the force damage arm bearings.

Posted on: 28 November 2016 by Lanesra
Christopher_M posted:

At least clear up whether or not the stylus was removed from the cartridge body for transport though....

Chris

Chris,

The stylus was on the cartridge body during transport. I'm wondering if there was a slight slip of the stylus when I removed its guard.

Richard Dane posted:
Antonio1 posted:
Richard Dane posted:

Do you have a picture we can see?  

You may need to back off the tension on the bolts to the cartridge body - then tighten up again.  When the 1042 is done up really tightly it can make sliding the stylus assembly back on fully rather difficult.  

I wouldn't do that with the arm fitted.

Correct - always either detach the arm wand or remove the arm from the base collar before attempting any tightening/loosening of the cartridge bolts, otherwise the force damage arm bearings.

Richard,

This is getting beyond my technical know how as I've never fitted or removed a tone-arm before. I'll wait until I've spoken to the Sound Organisation and take things from there.

Posted on: 28 November 2016 by hungryhalibut

Removing an Ittok is actually really easy, but of course requires the LP12 base to be removed first, while keeping the deck flat, and then pulling out the arm lead. Once that's done it's an Allen key job to remove the arm. But it would be scary if you've not done it before.

It sounds odd that the stylus would come out so easily, just by removing the guard. 

Maybe the SO will be on the ferry....