SN2 as pre into NAP250DR

Posted by: Elevensheep on 03 December 2016

I'm experimenting with connecting a borrowed 250DR to my SN2.

How does the connection work?

Does the connection go from the DIN5 pre-amp out from back of the SN2 into then 250DR or does the connection start from the DIN4 Bi-amp of the SN2?

thanks in advance

David 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Finkfan

Connect to the bi amp out. Unless you have a HC connected to the SN in which case you'd connect the 250 to the HC

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Finkfan

I recently did this on my SN with HCDR. Sounded fantastic!! 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Elevensheep

Thanks!

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by hungryhalibut

And what a surprise, it's in the manual! Who would think of looking there? 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Finkfan

You're kidding me!! 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Adam Zielinski

There is even a section with using a HiCap 

@ Finkfan: was the test with NAP250 a worthy experiment?

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Finkfan

Hi Adam

Yes it was. I know convention says go for the xps but if a bargain comes up, a 250DR is a fantastic amp and what it adds to the SN is stunning! I like the idea of keeping the SN as a pre too as it has the DAC, which I don't use much, but I do on occasion listen to the radio through my sky HD box. 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by hungryhalibut

Using the original SN with a 250DR is not entirely sensible, as the amp is too good for the preamp of the SN. 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by winkyincanada
Hungryhalibut posted:

Using the original SN with a 250DR is not entirely sensible, as the amp is too good for the preamp of the SN. 

I'm actually considering that as an interim step, ultimately replacing the SN with a streamer/dac/preamp of some description.

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Finkfan

Of course you're right HH. And SN/250DR is not my final system. However is does sound rather good and is a great upgrade on the journey to audio nirvana! 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Finkfan
winkyincanada posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

Using the original SN with a 250DR is not entirely sensible, as the amp is too good for the preamp of the SN. 

I'm actually considering that as an interim step, ultimately replacing the SN with a streamer/dac/preamp of some description.

It's a great upgrade Winky. Many may not think it a great idea, but when you can only buy one box at a time, it's a great combo. 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by hungryhalibut

Ok, that makes sense. Having an unbalanced setup for a while is almost inevitable unless you can afford to upgrade the whole caboodle in one fell swoop, which is not something most people can or choose to do. 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by pete T15
Finkfan posted:
winkyincanada posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

Using the original SN with a 250DR is not entirely sensible, as the amp is too good for the preamp of the SN. 

I'm actually considering that as an interim step, ultimately replacing the SN with a streamer/dac/preamp of some description.

It's a great upgrade Winky. Many may not think it a great idea, but when you can only buy one box at a time, it's a great combo. 

I've had a 250DR on my SN2 for about 8 months and its a hugely enjoyable combination . Yes its a stepping stone and maybe a little unbalanced but I don't spend any time worrying about what I don't have , it sounds wonderful . I will add a new Pre amp at some stage but will wait for something similar to the 272 (372??) with the new streaming architecture , at least the wait will be an enjoyable one . 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by wenger2015

I've heard the SN/250dr/HC, all I can say is it sounds very very good...a nice step on that ladder to audio ecstasy..... Hey I like that phrase... 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Elevensheep
Hungryhalibut posted:

And what a surprise, it's in the manual! Who would think of looking there? 

Unfortunately the explanation in the manual (including the diagram you have quoted above) isn't very clearly. Specifically, do you connect the DIN cable to bi-amp terminal for bi-amping only, OR, as I intend to use the SN2 as a pre only, should i be using the pre-amp out terminal on the back of the SN2?

Thankfully, Finkfan's explanation above helped answer the question. 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by pete T15
Elevensheep posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

And what a surprise, it's in the manual! Who would think of looking there? 

Unfortunately the explanation in the manual (including the diagram you have quoted above) isn't very clearly. Specifically, do you connect the DIN cable to bi-amp terminal for bi-amping only, OR, as I intend to use the SN2 as a pre only, should i be using the pre-amp out terminal on the back of the SN2?

Thankfully, Finkfan's explanation above helped answer the question. 

Yes the Bi-amp terminal is the one to use here . I called Naim at the time to double check .  

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Patu

Please report how it sounds when you've had a good listen. 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Finkfan

We may not hear back from [@mention:1566878603953355] for a while!! Enjoy! 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by winkyincanada
pete T15 posted:
Elevensheep posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

And what a surprise, it's in the manual! Who would think of looking there? 

Unfortunately the explanation in the manual (including the diagram you have quoted above) isn't very clearly. Specifically, do you connect the DIN cable to bi-amp terminal for bi-amping only, OR, as I intend to use the SN2 as a pre only, should i be using the pre-amp out terminal on the back of the SN2?

Thankfully, Finkfan's explanation above helped answer the question. 

Yes the Bi-amp terminal is the one to use here . I called Naim at the time to double check .  

That looks wrong to me. With the link plug still in place, isn't the SN power amplifier still being fed?

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Finkfan

Yes it is 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by hungryhalibut
Elevensheep posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

And what a surprise, it's in the manual! Who would think of looking there? 

Unfortunately the explanation in the manual (including the diagram you have quoted above) isn't very clearly. Specifically, do you connect the DIN cable to bi-amp terminal for bi-amping only, OR, as I intend to use the SN2 as a pre only, should i be using the pre-amp out terminal on the back of the SN2?

Thankfully, Finkfan's explanation above helped answer the question. 

The picture seems perfectly clear. It shows speakers connected to the power amp and not to the Supernait. If you were biamping you'd connect speakers to both. With the additional amp connected as in the picture, the internal amp is still powered but has nothing to do as there are no speakers connected to it. Anyway, the main thing is that you've got it working. 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Finkfan

If you remove the link, will the pre section still work? Or is there power coming from, and being split at, one of the pins on the 4 pin? 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Finkfan
Finkfan posted:

If you remove the link, will the pre section still work? Or is there power coming from, and being split at, one of the pins on the 4 pin? 

Thinking about it, that can't be right. I guess the pre will always work. Removing the link will just kill the poweramp section. 

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Adam Zielinski

Exactly

Posted on: 03 December 2016 by Finkfan

So can you remove the link plug and just plug the 250 into the biamp out??