Naim 250

Loki posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Good evening Craig.  Is this a pre DR 250 which did have a reputation for being a bit shall we say murky.  

Lindsay, I would love to know where that rumoured reputation came from. My non DR 250 is the clearest, most dynamic and transparent  NAP I've heard short of a 300 or 500. Not a DR, no, but 'murky'? Only with one's foot in one's ear 

Okay guys - murky entirely wrong word. I just found the old 250 a little ponderous and after home demo went back to the 200. 

Adam Meredith posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Loki posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Good evening Craig.  Is this a pre DR 250 which did have a reputation for being a bit shall we say murky.  

Lindsay, I would love to know where that rumoured reputation came from. My non DR 250 is the clearest, most dynamic and transparent  NAP I've heard short of a 300 or 500. Not a DR, no, but 'murky'? Only with one's foot in one's ear 

Okay guys - murky entirely wrong word. I just found the old 250 a little ponderous and after home demo went back to the 200. 

Hardly the basis for a 'reputation' - more an opinion..

Okay Adam fair point although I think you'd agree that the virtues of the previous 250 were debated over time on here. But absolutely the OPs problems are something different entirely.  

Regards,

Lindsay

The OP is conspicuous by their absence, first and last post? 

there is also the possibility that the OP may actually have no experience of the 250 at all -- and that this may have been a way to generate some traffic on the thread. There have been numerous examples of this type in the past.

i say "possibility" -- as of course this might also have been a genuine posting and i apologize for implying some kind of mischief here... But the lack of follow-up is somewhat suspicious....

enjoy...

ken

Adam Meredith posted:

craig's posted:

Right now this Naim is the worst amp I have ever heard. Previously I owned a Quad.

But didn't listen to it ?

...or ride it? :-)

HiFi is a very subjective thing - a system one person loves another will hate, music that one person loves another will hate. One persons "classy" is another persons "gaudy", one persons "discrete and understated" is another persons "dull and boring" ... If Craig considers the NAP250 to be the worst amp he's ever heard then he's entitled to his opinion ...

...even if it's wrong.

No - seriously - if he doesn't like it then that's his opinion but at least lets try to identify if there's something that is causing the amp to perform poorly or is it just that it doesn't suit him. Hopefully he actually demo'd the amp before buying it but it wouldn't be the first time that someone has bought something just because they were told it was 'the mutts' and then found they didn't like it.

Phil

trickydickie posted:

The OP is conspicuous by their absence, first and last post? 

Hiding in a cave or under a low bridge I suspect.

G

GraemeH posted:

trickydickie posted:

The OP is conspicuous by their absence, first and last post? 

Hiding under a low bridge I suspect.

G

Please be nice - it's Christmas ...

...if anyone is horrible to anyone else I may have to come round and give you a hug.

Phil

Phil Harris posted:

...if anyone is horrible to anyone else I may have to come round and give you a hug.

Phil

Now - that IS a Christmas wish

Adam Zielinski posted:

Phil Harris posted:

...if anyone is horrible to anyone else I may have to come round and give you a hug.

Phil

Now - that IS a Christmas wish

Stuff of nightmares.  Trouble is he is only down the road from me!

bluedog posted:

In answer to your last question - in terms of VFM the 250 is arguably the BEST amp Naim ever produced IMHO

Which one of the 250's do you refer to ?

To my knowledge there's at least four or five versions of Nap 250, bolt down beeing the first one, DR beeing the latest

badlands posted:

Loki posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Good evening Craig.  Is this a pre DR 250 which did have a reputation for being a bit shall we say murky.  

Lindsay, I would love to know where that rumoured reputation came from. My non DR 250 is the clearest, most dynamic and transparent  NAP I've heard short of a 300 or 500. Not a DR, no, but 'murky'? Only with one's foot in one's ear 

Exactly right Loki. I also had a 250 non DR. And it was just as you describe. Where does this nonsense come from?

 

Not nonsense imo

I preferred recent serviced olive or CB 250's vs 250.2

135's maybe closer pricewise to 250.2 still better to my ears.

Can't comment on the DR but guess there's a reason 250.2 prices are very low while olive/CB keep constant

I'm stuck in bed with flu, headache and all. I have nothing much to do so a number of interesting questions arise in my mind: did he buy a NAP250 without listening to it? What his streaming device is? A Squeezebox Classic? The SQB Classic has a sort of volume control and two line outputs, so why not connect it to a NAP250? Why has he registered four days ago, done just one post and disappeared? But the most intriguing is: what can the surname be, of a guy called Craig's – Liszt?

b_lund posted:

badlands posted:

Loki posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Good evening Craig.  Is this a pre DR 250 which did have a reputation for being a bit shall we say murky.  

Lindsay, I would love to know where that rumoured reputation came from. My non DR 250 is the clearest, most dynamic and transparent  NAP I've heard short of a 300 or 500. Not a DR, no, but 'murky'? Only with one's foot in one's ear 

Exactly right Loki. I also had a 250 non DR. And it was just as you describe. Where does this nonsense come from?

 

Not nonsense imo

I preferred recent serviced olive or CB 250's vs 250.2

135's maybe closer pricewise to 250.2 still better to my ears.

Can't comment on the DR but guess there's a reason 250.2 prices are very low while olive/CB keep constant

Okay guys - I've said above murky was the wrong word.

b_lund posted:

badlands posted:

Loki posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Good evening Craig.  Is this a pre DR 250 which did have a reputation for being a bit shall we say murky.  

Lindsay, I would love to know where that rumoured reputation came from. My non DR 250 is the clearest, most dynamic and transparent  NAP I've heard short of a 300 or 500. Not a DR, no, but 'murky'? Only with one's foot in one's ear 

Exactly right Loki. I also had a 250 non DR. And it was just as you describe. Where does this nonsense come from?

 

Not nonsense imo

I preferred recent serviced olive or CB 250's vs 250.2

135's maybe closer pricewise to 250.2 still better to my ears.

Can't comment on the DR but guess there's a reason 250.2 prices are very low while olive/CB keep constant

Same here. I didn't like the 250.2. To me it sounded heavy and maybe a bit murky. I would never have bought one. 

To say it's the worst amp is pushing it a bit far though, some people obviously love it.

It was no doubt a great amp - one very reputable Naim dealer said that with the right speaker it absolutely shone others less so - but I was never persuaded to trade my NAP 200 for it.  But once I heard a DR version.

I, for one. Have bought a NAP250 because it's powerful and Naim is making it since 41 years. To me it was enough. And I like it.

ken c posted:

there is also the possibility that the OP may actually have no experience of the 250 at all -- and that this may have been a way to generate some traffic on the thread. There have been numerous examples of this type in the past.

i say "possibility" -- as of course this might also have been a genuine posting and i apologize for implying some kind of mischief here... But the lack of follow-up is somewhat suspicious....

enjoy...

ken

 

 Just joined us, posted just the once, not got back to answer any questions, I would say its more than somewhat suspicious!

Interesting that there has been no response from the OP. Was someone just putting the cat amongst the pigeons?

Maybe he's used to some other forum where it might be rare to get responses in less than several days, so might not have thought of looking yet (though if it was my first post as a new member I'd have been checking at least daily)

But is was indeed a rather strange post, and certainly so lacking in information that a meaningful answer couldn't be more than guesswork.

Some timewaster threw out the bait and we all decided to bite!

move on.

It does all seem suspicious but also very strange.  Oh well if it is a  ruse  it takes all sorts 

He must be having a right old laugh with his mates down at The Horn & Triode, as he gets the beers in

C.

You think he has mates

Maybe he has other things in his life besides his errant 250.......

Perhaps he's creating a list .....