Confirmation of Measurements

Repeat, just checking to make sure the information I had archived, is correct! 

That's all, a quickie, before I head to the local Glass shop!

Allante93!

Yes, that's what I ordered, but then my source was also Steve Johnson! I am sure that is correct, although I am using mine on Hutter. BTW any news of Steve - he used to be very active on this site. 

Clive

Cdb posted:

Yes, that's what I ordered, but then my source was also Steve Johnson! I am sure that is correct, although I am using mine on Hutter. BTW any news of Steve - he used to be very active on this site. 

Clive

Thanks Clive, not sure about Steve J, although it does sound familiar. 

The last two gentleman, that I had contact with was the following:

support@naimaudio.com

Hi Basil,

All Naim amplifiers have the same gain, so it is possible to mix them but the trap is to assume the biggest amplifier should be on the bass, whereas it should be on the tweeter as this needs the best amplifier with the fastest response

 Regards

Steven Hopkins ( NOV 1ST 2014 ) 

DB, Promptly corrected him! The 500’s gain is different! 

And recently, since my Cdx2 started skipping, soooo! annoying! 

Hi Basil,

There should be no issues in using that CD cleaner but I strongly suspect that it will not fix your issue – given the age of the unit I would suspect that it may be that there is an actual fault with either the optical mech or laser assembly but there is no harm in trying.

 Best Regards

 Phil Harris   (December 2016)

Once Again Thanks! 

This is when the Forum is worth its weight in gold, Sharing Information! 

Allante93! 

''""The measurements are 343mm x 454mm 10mm bronzed toughened safety glass with 45% chamfered edges. BS  6206 Class A.""

I miss the good old days, drive to your local glass shop, and talk to the founder.

Anyhow,  emailed  the specifications, and explained, I didn't understand the jargon!

And when appropriate, could someone who  was familiar with the above specifications, quote me a price per shelf.

Received a call, about an hour ago, 8:20 am, in the morning, the young lad had me on the phone for over 5 minutes, showing me that he could convert millimeters to inches.

 Of course, I disposed that company off the list!

Waiting on a call from a company that had an individual that answer the phone, who was familiar with 90% of the specifications.

I think!!!

1st, the dimensions, no brainer

2nd, bronzed, tint or color ?

3rd, toughened safety glass ?

4th, 45% chamfered edges ?

Pertaining to the 4th, she mentioned the words polished and beveled, which sort of gave me an idea. Also kind of indicates, how the Orientation of the glass, could render differences in SQ. She also mentioned to fit in certain areas!

But the 10%, that she didn't understand was this bit: BS 6206 Class A

I figured it to be Code, which ensures the process of how the glass was procured.

But what do I know!

Waiting on call tomorrow! $$$$ Price

In the meantime, anyone out there understands the above specifications?

Allante93!

Reply from First local glass company:

(Thank you for the opportunity to help you with your shelf.

13 1/2 x 17 7/8 x 3/8 bronze tempered  with a flat polished edge)

$ 125.00 plux tax each USD

"The measurements are 343mm x 454mm 10mm bronzed toughened safety glass with 45% chamfered edges. BS  6206 Class A.""

Well, he did manage to get the dimensions & a Price!

But a flat polished edge doesn't sound quite the same as 45% chamfered edges.

Could anyone out there, explain the difference?

Allante93!

It's 45 degrees you want, not 45%. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

It's 45 degrees you want, not 45%. 

Thanks HH!

That's what I was thinking,  if that's the case, are we talking???

Flat (90) polished edge

Vs

(45) chamfered edge

Perhaps Glass Company B will get closer to the specifications, that I Archived away:

45 Degree chamfered edges.

Waiting on their reply tomorrow.

Allante93! 

BS means British Standard - so I'm not surprised it means nothing in the US!  It will establish production parameters.

I seem to remember the glass supplier in the UK mentioned bevelled edges but I cannot now remember if that was the same as or different to chamfered edges! My guess is that the work on the edges is designed to reduce the risk of cutting your hands. The edges of mine have bevelling top and bottom with a 90 degree section in between. I must say that I have never inspected Naim glass carefully enough to see if it looks different. According to Wikipedia, the meanings of bevelling (or beveling in the US) and chamfering overlap - just to add further muddle!

I did find the price here in England varied quite a lot between the two or three potential suppliers I could find.

Good luck!

Clive 

Cdb posted:

BS means British Standard - so I'm not surprised it means nothing in the US!  It will establish production parameters.

I seem to remember the glass supplier in the UK mentioned bevelled edges but I cannot now remember if that was the same as or different to chamfered edges! My guess is that the work on the edges is designed to reduce the risk of cutting your hands. The edges of mine have bevelling top and bottom with a 90 degree section in between. I must say that I have never inspected Naim glass carefully enough to see if it looks different. According to Wikipedia, the meanings of bevelling (or beveling in the US) and chamfering overlap - just to add further muddle!

I did find the price here in England varied quite a lot between the two or three potential suppliers I could find.

Good luck!

Clive 

Thanks again Clive! 

Very helpful! 

Good Luck, is right, this is where all this information comes in handy. I did look at some images on line, and   it appears just as you have spoken. 

Once Again Thanks! 

Allante93!

@ Clive Thanks! 

I guess your glass is similar to the following: 

Funny thing, with that beveled, chamfered, or whatever, edge, it appears that one could easily decipher which side is up! 

Referring to some earlier post on Naim Glass tapping with a special tool to make sure the glass is orientated right, etc....

Waiting on Company B to reply Tomorrow.

Once Again, The Forum at its Best!

Thanks!

Allante93! 

Yes - that's just how mine looks, but not sure if there's a top and a bottom - I didn't do that test!

Clive

Allante93

I recently upgraded my Fraimlite by adding 5 glass shelves that I bought locally in Canada to the same specs you did,I paid 340 dollars for 5,which is 257 American dollars with today's exchange rate.I made my own cups,and bought the ball bearings locally too for fourteen dollars for twenty balls.The end result is a substantial savings,if I were to buy "full Fraim"and I think they look AND sound excellent.I had a thread on it a few months back called "Fraimlite upgrade".

The news of Steve's demise is premature.  He sent me a helpful email last week.

No quarter posted:

Allante93

I recently upgraded my Fraimlite by adding 5 glass shelves that Ibought locally in Canada to the same specs you did,I paid 340 dollars for 5,which is 257 American dollars with today's exchange rate.

I made my own cups,and bought the ball bearings locally too for fourteen dollars for twenty balls.The end result is a substantial savings,if I were to buy "full Fraim"and I think they look AND sound excellent.I had a thread on it a few months back called "Fraimlite upgrade".

Sounds great No quarter, excellent price for 5 shelves, how does your shelves compare to the images I posted above ?

I've managed to secure, the Naim cups & Balls, quite expensive, for nuts & bolts, but they do look good! 

Hence, all I need is a the Local Glass Shop, or Company! 

Thanks! 

Allante93!

They look identical to me,can you take some pics of your cups?do they have a recess underneath?

Yes, they do look identical from the top view.

Never considered, looking underneath, until this very moment. 

Mine is raised off the surface, by a circular rim.

No pictures available now. I shoot with a 35mm and transfer to disc, then photobucket.

But can you post some shots of your glass?

Please!!!!

Just checked your profile, nice system!

Allante93!

chamfered glass edge is known in the trade as an arriss, it is normally applied to all polished toughened glass in the uk. it is also 45 degrees the differences being some companies do 1mm arriss some 1.5mm etc

Allante93 posted:

@ Clive Thanks! 

I guess your glass is similar to the following: 

Funny thing, with that beveled, chamfered, or whatever, edge, it appears that one could easily decipher which side is up! 

Referring to some earlier post on Naim Glass tapping with a special tool to make sure the glass is orientated right, etc....

Waiting on Company B to reply Tomorrow.

Once Again, The Forum at its Best!

Thanks!

Allante93! 

""The measurements are 343mm x 454mm 10mm bronzed toughened safety glass with 45% chamfered edges. BS  6206 Class A.""

Thanks Tony.

Company A quoted me a price of $125 per shelf.

Flat (90) polished edge 

Vs

(45) chamfered edge ( 1mm or 1.5mm )

Perhaps Glass Company B will get closer to the specifications, that I Archived away:

measurements, no brainer

bronzed, tint

toughened safety glass

45 Degree chamfered edges, as in the above photo. (After blowing up the photo, I realized the possibility, that all edges might be 45 Degree chamfered/arriss edges, top and bottom.)

BS, British Standards

6206, perhaps standard code?????

Class A, top quality?????

Thanks Forum!

You have armed me with the proper information, that will aid me, when dealing with local Glass companies.

 Once Again, the Forum at it's best!

Allante93!

Responce from Company B:

{{Good Morning –

Based on the information I have – my vendor indicates the following:

[1] 13 1/2” x 21 13/16” – 3/8” Bronze Tempered Glass with a 45 degree chamfer on all 4 edges

TOTAL COST/Your pick-up: $255.00 (USD) 

These specs are the closest we can get based on conversion from metrics information provided.

There is no warranty or guarantee. The order would be a custom piece and would be non-returnable / non-refundable.

My recommendation is to order from the company, that way you are guaranteed the exact piece required.

Thank you,}}

Company A $125

Company B $255

Naim Dealer $322

Perhaps I will try a couple more Thanks guys! 

Allante93!

Maybe, its not just a simple piece of Glass! 

shame your not in the uk, i could supply these for about £70 each, maybe cheaper

will check exact cost tomorrow, might be worth exporting

Try a Company in the UK called Futureglass.

Identical spec at £26 per shelf + VAT + shipping.

Quality and service are superb

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the information, I'm in no hurry to spend that type of cash, plus My Cdx2 won't be back from Audio Plus for a couple of weeks! 

Once Again Thanks! 

Allante93 posted:

Yes, they do look identical from the top view.

Never considered, looking underneath, until this very moment. 

Mine is raised off the surface, by a circular rim.

No pictures available now. I shoot with a 35mm and transfer to disc, then photobucket.

But can you post some shots of your glass?

Please!!!!

Just checked your profile, nice system!

Allante93!