NAC A5 speaker cable or?

Posted by: keano on 07 January 2017

I will buy a Uniti Nova soon and also some new speaker cable. I have the NAC A5 cable now connected to SuperUniti/Dynaudio 34 but the cable is very old and I think it is time to change it. Is NAC A5 still the best choice or? And the length must be at least 3,5 m?

I seem to remember that sometime ago there the rumors of a new speaker cable?

 
 
Posted on: 07 January 2017 by The Strat (Fender)

There is now Super Lumina but it is considerably more expensive - I think £600 per metre.   Just because your NACA 5 is old doesn't mean that it's not fit for the job.  You could try an alternative such as Chord Oydessy but unless you had a specific reason I'd stick with your existing wire. 

Regards,

Lindsay

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by Ardbeg10y

There are quite a few folks on this forum who use Tellurium Q Black. Don't know if the more affordable TQ Blue is also a good idea. If someone has comments on that, I would be happy.

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by dayjay

I can't comment on the TQ Blue but the my Black is superb and way better than Oydessy it replaced  

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by The Strat (Fender)

But at the Uniti level does the OP need to change?

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by ChrisH

I would suggest NAC A5 would still be perfect for the OP....

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by Pcd

Stick with the NAC A5 just make sure that the termination is still good ?

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by pete T15

TQ Black is fantastic and I'd say its about the perfect level for a Uniti Nova . 

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by Rob T

Another vote for TelluriumQ Black,  I found it superior to NAC A5 with my superuniti and again when I upgraded to the 250dr. I now run TelluriumQ Black Diamond.

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by hungryhalibut

When I had a SuperUniti and PMC speakers, I preferred TQB to A5. However, when I swapped to a 250 DR and Naim speakers, I preferred the A5. So it's speaker dependent in my view. 

If it were me, I'd have the A5 reterminated and use it with the Nova, at least to start with. That said, the TQB is delightfully easy to use, being thin and floppy. Out of interest, might it be an idea to hear the Nova first, before committing to it?

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by The Strat (Fender)
Hungryhalibut posted:

When I had a SuperUniti and PMC speakers, I preferred TQB to A5. However, when I swapped to a 250 DR and Naim speakers, I preferred the A5. So it's speaker dependent in my view. 

 

Absolutely!!

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by varyat

Naca 5 is a very good cable if you can manage its' "physical handicap". Imo, it delivers the Naim characteristic  speed and tune better than cables costing much ,much more. I would stick with the 5 and spend the money elsewhere..

ATB,

Mark

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by Crofta

A5 cables are not available in my country, i considered to buy it abroad, but I didn t find anybody to make the solder work seriously, everybody  was  afraid of the strange banana plugs and sent me to bloody hell ))

I tried a number of various speaker cables of various prices with my SU, and I can say that more expensive cables didn t rise such improvement to justify the price increase over less expensive ones.  I had TQ Blue Diamond and Ultra Black cables for audition for 30 days. BD didn t impress me too much, but UB brought some kind of magic to my stereo system and I bough it, however the price is terrible. Both BD and UB need some good burn in time.

Anyway system is system and cables are to be evaluated in the system so audition is the must

Have anybody experience with VDH D 352 ? By What Hi-FI? NAP 200 review D 352 works better with NAP 200 than A5. SU power amp section would be NAP 200 derivative.

 

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by Skip

Crimson Electronics make speaker cables that work well with the UnitiQute line.   They are less expensive than NACA5 and more flexible.

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by feeling_zen

FWIW, I use Atlas Hyper 2.0 instead of A5 between a 250DR and PMC 25.23s. Regardless of the fact it costs slightly less than A5, my dealer and I agree it is an upgrade over the A5 and has become their go-to speaker cable for most levels of Naim short of SL. Although I use the lower cost Atlas Equator 2.0 between my UQ2 and Qacoustics 3010 speakers, I would probably use the Hyper here also if the speakers we anything more revealing.

Funny thing is, Atlas cables seem to be extremely rare on the forum despite the fact that Atlas design and test their cables and interconencts using Naim equipment (among others).

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by ryder.
Crofta posted:

A5 cables are not available in my country, i considered to buy it abroad, but I didn t find anybody to make the solder work seriously, everybody  was  afraid of the strange banana plugs and sent me to bloody hell ))

I tried a number of various speaker cables of various prices with my SU, and I can say that more expensive cables didn t rise such improvement to justify the price increase over less expensive ones.  I had TQ Blue Diamond and Ultra Black cables for audition for 30 days. BD didn t impress me too much, but UB brought some kind of magic to my stereo system and I bough it, however the price is terrible. Both BD and UB need some good burn in time.

Anyway system is system and cables are to be evaluated in the system so audition is the must

Have anybody experience with VDH D 352 ? By What Hi-FI? NAP 200 review D 352 works better with NAP 200 than A5. SU power amp section would be NAP 200 derivative.

 

Check out this old thread. https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...vs-van-den-hul-cs122

The summary is NACA5 > VDH CS122 > VDH D352.

The CS122's timing is said to be better than the D352.

You mentioned you tried the Tellurium Q Blue Diamond and Ultra Black speaker cables and bought the UB? Do you have the Tellurium Q Ultra Black in your system now?

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by keano

My Naim speaker cable is from around 1989 but it should not be et problem?

Posted on: 07 January 2017 by feeling_zen
keano posted:

My Naim speaker cable is from around 1989 but it should not be et problem?

No problem at all. At that age it may benefit from trimming it back a few centimeters at each and and resolder the ends properly. Even pretty decent solders can allow oxidisation to creep up the ends of cables. How far you need to trim to get bright shiny coppy again will depend on how well they were soldered in the first place. With 30 years behind it, it is possible that as much as 20cm might need to be cut off each end but it really varies. Even a decent one should be re-terminated every 10 years or so.

Posted on: 08 January 2017 by yeti42

It seems odd to be worrying about the speaker cable when it's already in place, right for Naim amps in general and the Nova hasn't been released yet. If you had to buy new cable because there was none or it was something like Isolde which would cause problems for the amp then there would be some point in looking at the options but just wait for the Nova, let it run it for 6 months or so, then see if you're dissatisfied. Naim were demoing the new unitis at HQ with A5, no SLs to be seen and the Nova sounded pretty good to me.

Posted on: 08 January 2017 by Simon-in-Suffolk

I agree with Yeti, the prototype Nova sounded very good indeed... I'd follow Yeti's advice rather than trying to anticipate issues that just might not arise.

Posted on: 08 January 2017 by keano

Thanks for advice. I will buy the Nova and keep my speaker cable.

Posted on: 08 January 2017 by Crofta

Hi Ryder,

thank you for VDH info

Yes I have TQ Ultra Black in my system. However it might seem crazy to buy such expensive cables for such a compromise gear as SU.  But UB really gives some kind of sound magic to my system. My previous speaker cables were Audioquest flix slip 14/4, just simple non-expensive in-wall cables, but great ones. Not only great in relation to the price, but just really great. I tried around 20 various cables in various prices up to 1000 British Pounds, but no one was so well balanced and so well (how should I say) delicately respecting when notes are to be softer and stronger. If not the case I auditioned UB by chance, I would keep 14/4 forever.

Another thing, I used Audioquest banana plugs with my 14/4. Much later on I detected on some forum that the plugs are not sophisticated ones but poor ones.  As far as I know Huge use 14/4 with quality banana plugs, and he will keep the ones forever, I suppose.

Posted on: 09 January 2017 by Loki

Potential heresy being committed here. NACA5 has no peers.

Posted on: 10 January 2017 by Kiwi cat

Agreed Loki

Posted on: 12 January 2017 by Huge

Hi Crofta, I have recently changed from AQ 14/4 to DNM Resolution speaker cable as I now use a Classic series power amp, and the electrical characteristics of the DNM cable match the classic amps better than the AQ.  I got myself another set of gold Deltrons (soldered of course) for the speaker end (I use Naim plugs at the amp end).

I do agree that the AQ 14/4 is remarkably well balanced.  The DNM is lighter in the bass, but is better dynamically (principally microdynamics) and in resolution, but for the cost AQ 14/4 is exceptional.

Posted on: 12 January 2017 by The Strat (Fender)
Loki posted:

Potential heresy being committed here. NACA5 has no peers.

Heresy or no but just wrong.