Hdtracks.com 24/192 REM Out of Time

Posted by: 2roomsor1 on 08 August 2011

Hi

Anybody tried 192/24 flac files from a hdx(share) through a ndac.

One of my favourite albums is available in hd.  Does my setup play this format?

Will download tonight if I can confirm it will play
Posted on: 08 August 2011 by AdeF

Have done something like this, but in my case the HDX reads the 192k/24-bit FLAC files off a locally connected USB drive, then outputs them to a Naim DAC. So rather than your Network Share approach, I am using a local external drive.


I have found it works fine, and the HDX index is updated to include all the metadata, artwork etc.

 

If it would help you, I will try this evening to copy one of my 192k/24 bit files to my Network Share  (connected to HDX by Ethernet over the mains) and see how that plays via the NDAC.

Posted on: 08 August 2011 by 2roomsor1
Thanks If it plays via USB. I think I will download now and try when I get home. Will let you know.
Posted on: 08 August 2011 by Hook

Hi 2roomsor1 -

 

The Naim DAC is capable of playing a 24/192 FLAC file received through either its S/PDIF or USB inputs.

 

The HDX, according to its specs (I do not own one), can deliver a 24/192 FLAC file through its S/PDIF output.   So you should not have an issue playing Out of Time at full resolution.

 

Just FYI, the HDX does have a limitation when it comes to 24/176.4 FLAC files.  According to the specs, those downloads still play, but they are downsampled to 24/44.1.

 

Hook

Posted on: 08 August 2011 by 2roomsor1
Have a 192/24 test track it plays fine Now downloading 'Out of Time'
Posted on: 08 August 2011 by 2roomsor1

'Out of Time' - not bad, played start to finish, this ia a good album.  Have not compared to my HDX rip, but enjoyed.  

 

Could not resist Carly Simon - No Secrets. Also 24/192  this is excellent, seriously good. 

 

Posted on: 11 August 2011 by Richard Adams
Originally Posted by 2roomsor1:

'Out of Time' - not bad, played start to finish, this ia a good album.  Have not compared to my HDX rip, but enjoyed.  

 

Could not resist Carly Simon - No Secrets. Also 24/192  this is excellent, seriously good. 

 

Would be interested to hear your views on the comparison of the 24/192 download and the HDX rip. Also did the 24/192 play ok from a Network share?

Posted on: 11 August 2011 by pcstockton
Originally Posted by 2roomsor1:

 

 

Could not resist Carly Simon

 

i could....

Posted on: 11 August 2011 by RudiNee

Also very interested in the quality of the HDTracks download. I downloaded some Highres files form B&W Society of Sound and though they sounded ok I couldn't hear the difference with an ordinary CD Rip. Since the price is kind of high it should bring some improvements to the table ...

Posted on: 11 August 2011 by pcstockton

I was given a VISA giftcard that I figured I would blow on music.  So I bought a few things from HDTracks and each one was either a marked improvement over other versions I have, or simply amazing if nothing to compare to.

 

One the first albums I ever listened to as a kid was Return to Forever - Light As a Feather.  Dont ask me why or how my parents ended up with this record.  Sitting right between Godspell and Feel's So Good, I always remembered listening to this for the first time and being blown away.

 

This isn't my normal listening material....I bought that for nostalgia sake.  Sounds great.

 

Also got Holland, Methany, Haynes, Burton's "Like Minds".  As a bassist, I have a soft spot for anything Dave Holland has done.  Despite my leanings this album sounds like something people would use to demo kit.  Clear, detailed, live....  So good.

 

I couldn't help myself and got the first album I ever bought as a kid.  The Who - Tommy.  I do have an old 24/96 DVD-A rip and I instantly deleted it after comparing to the HDTracks version (still have the DVD).  Not sure if my rip years ago wasn't proper or if they are simply different masterings etc...  But I highly recommend this version if looking to dip the toe.

 

Have a great day!

Patrick

Posted on: 11 August 2011 by AdeF
Originally Posted by RudiNee:

Also very interested in the quality of the HDTracks download. I downloaded some Highres files form B&W Society of Sound and though they sounded ok I couldn't hear the difference with an ordinary CD Rip. Since the price is kind of high it should bring some improvements to the table ...

The B&W SoS offerings were as I recall generally sampled at 44.1kHz, some in CD-quality 16-bit depth, others in 24-bit depth.

 

The HDTracks.com ones one the other hand are usually sampled at 96kHz (or even 192kHz in quite a few cases now) and are all 24-bit.

 

That makes quite a difference; on my Naim DAC, the B&W SoS ones do not make both green lights come on ....

Posted on: 12 August 2011 by 2roomsor1
Very impressed with the comparison between hdx rip and 192/24. The sound is slightly more detailed with tighter bass. Losing my religion is a good example. There is not much in it, but out of time is a good cd SQ wise. I would not rush out to replace all with hd. But I have just downloaded tommy - the who. And Alice cooper Quick question. Why are flac files smaller than wav. I thought flac had no compression.
Posted on: 12 August 2011 by RudiNee

Gonna try it today but is states the HD Tracks is only for US residence. Does anyone know if you can put in a fake address (since i live in the Netherlands) ??? Wanna know for sure before i put in my CC data :-)

Posted on: 12 August 2011 by AdeF
Originally Posted by 2roomsor1:
Very impressed with the comparison between hdx rip and 192/24. The sound is slightly more detailed with tighter bass. Losing my religion is a good example. There is not much in it, but out of time is a good cd SQ wise. I would not rush out to replace all with hd. But I have just downloaded tommy - the who. And Alice cooper Quick question. Why are flac files smaller than wav. I thought flac had no compression.

FLAC files are compressed, but not in a "lossy" way; the acronym stands for "Free Lossless Audio Codec".

 

See e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flac , or even http://flac.sourceforge.net/ .

Posted on: 12 August 2011 by 2roomsor1
I live in the uk. I just paid using pay pal
Posted on: 12 August 2011 by 2roomsor1
I live in the uk. I just paid using pay pal
Posted on: 13 August 2011 by Harry

Same here, Paypal. The CD has escaped my collection so the HDTracks offering seemed a good way of rectification. I'm tending to "play safe" and go for 96k after the Stone's raised questions. I've enjoyed Out Of Time very much but to the uninitiated i.e. me the mix sounds a bit odd at times. Almost out of phase - but not. I also got Homecoming, but I only really like Ventura Highway and to date my favorite for sound quality/musical enjoyment remains a dead heat between Days Of Future Passed and Moving Pictures. Probably because I liked them so much already, however the HiRes versions make a strong case for themselves. 

 

With the lid off Warner via HDTracks (even if they are drip feeding) and the short term possibility, medium term certainty of a higher than X level streamer, things are looking distinctly tasty. 

Posted on: 13 August 2011 by James L

I'm reluctant to re-buy (so called) Hi-Res files from HD Tracks as it's been shown on numerous occasions a lot of their releases are up samples of 16/44.1.

 

Discussion on Computer Audiophile on this very subject.

Posted on: 14 August 2011 by DaveBk
I downloaded the 24/96 version - sounded good through my Transporter/Ndac, but not astounding.. I may get the 24/192 as well to try with a memory stick - I'll also try downsampling the 192 to 96 to see what that sounds like. I'll read the thread on the authenticity of HD Tracks material - it would be good if they stated this e.g. Direct transfer from 24/96 master, digitised original analogue master using ADC xxx... Etc. Upsampled CD rips are a worrying scam as HD becomes more popular.
Posted on: 14 August 2011 by Harry

It has been shown on a few occasions that errors were made, HD Tracks have addressed this have they not?

 

Days Of Future Passed has been cited as an upsample. Yet it sounds so good. More enjoyable and detailed than any of the iterations I have bought since the original vinyl release. The difficulty, as  with all sources of music, is getting a fix on the quality before you buy, or don't. Lousy recordings and brick walls abound. HiRes won't change this.

Posted on: 16 August 2011 by DaveBk
First proper listen tonight - much better than my original thoughts. Tighter and crisper, with a better bass line. I'll explore HDTracks further - anyone care to recommend anything particularly good?
Posted on: 16 August 2011 by AdeF
Originally Posted by DaveBk:
First proper listen tonight - much better than my original thoughts. Tighter and crisper, with a better bass line. I'll explore HDTracks further - anyone care to recommend anything particularly good?

Hhhmm - so much a question of taste; I found these very acceptable:-

 

  • Robert Plant & Alison Krauss: "Raising Sand"
  • João Gilberto & Stan Getz: "Getz / Gilberto"
  • Chick Corea: "Return To Forever"
  • Paul Simon: "So Beautiful or So What"

 

Just a few suggestions ...

Posted on: 16 August 2011 by DaveBk
Thanks I'll explore and let you know what think.
Posted on: 16 August 2011 by KRM
Also, Steely Dan's Gaucho and the new Alison Kraus album both sound fantastic. Harry is right about Moving Pictures. The Society of Sound stuff is very good, but not as good as HDTracks so I guess the extra resolution of 24/96 makes a big difference (plus, it's nice when the second light on the dac lights up :-)
Posted on: 16 August 2011 by AdeF
Originally Posted by KRM:
Also, Steely Dan's Gaucho and the new Alison Kraus album both sound fantastic. Harry is right about Moving Pictures. The Society of Sound stuff is very good, but not as good as HDTracks so I guess the extra resolution of 24/96 makes a big difference (plus, it's nice when the second light on the dac lights up :-)

Ah, yes, whoops - I managed to leave that one off the list ...

 

  • Alison Krauss & Union Station: "Paper Airplane" - right?

 

Posted on: 22 August 2011 by 2roomsor1
Bare naked ladies - WB hi res album Very good, listened and enjoyed this evening Not focusing on the music, just enjoying. Also on a bare naked ladies theme, just listened to 'the bank job'. I did chuckle