Strange glitch in music

Posted by: Tom-in-Amsterdam on 26 January 2017

The new system plays great..., but some recordings...are really awful! 

Last night, I thought I was getting crazy. There is this intermediate clicking /  glitch in certain recordings. Also, you can hear a bit of grain from time to time. 

Song in which I can reproduce: Goldfrapp - Jo, 30 seconds mark.

At first I thought the Hugo was to blame. But having listened  using Audirvana and JRiver Mediacenter the same glitch is there. Switching to headphones directly on the mac, same thing. Switching to Spotify to eliminate source problems, same thing!

Then switched to Spotify on my iPhone, same thing! It's as if the recording was mixed poorly when you listen carefully. 

Can somebody verify / explain?

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by hungryhalibut

I've been listening to Jo - in fact it's on now - and it's perfect - no glitch. Maybe there is a fault in your rip. 

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by Huge

You have eliminated your system as the cause, to your ears, it's also present on Spotify, HH has eliminated the master as the cause - there's two things remaining that are common all instances of the clicking / glitch ...

Your ears and brain!  

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by SongStream

On the Jo track there is annoying click on the left channel, but this is clearly in the recording / master and follows the timing of the beat.  If the timing was irregular it would certainly sound very similar to a digital glitch.  A studio engineer probably thought it added something, which it does, an annoying click on the left channel.

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by Tom-in-Amsterdam
SongStream posted:

On the Jo track there is annoying click on the left channel, but this is clearly in the recording / master and follows the timing of the beat.  If the timing was irregular it would certainly sound very similar to a digital glitch.  A studio engineer probably thought it added something, which it does, an annoying click on the left channel.

Yes, I can hear that click as well and that was / is irritating as well. I did listen again now using my headphones on my imac and sure enough there is a glitch at the 30s mark when she starts singing "what If..."  

However, when I listen to it without my headphones and use the cheap computerspeakers attached everything is fine. 

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by Tom-in-Amsterdam
Hungryhalibut posted:

I've been listening to Jo - in fact it's on now - and it's perfect - no glitch. Maybe there is a fault in your rip. 

Thanks for testing. I suspected a faulty rip as well, but I can hear the same thing in Spotify, on exactly the same mark. Maddening

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by hungryhalibut
SongStream posted:

On the Jo track there is annoying click on the left channel, but this is clearly in the recording / master and follows the timing of the beat.  If the timing was irregular it would certainly sound very similar to a digital glitch.  A studio engineer probably thought it added something, which it does, an annoying click on the left channel.

I didn't hear anything annoying - maybe my ropey old speakers are insufficiently resolving.

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by Tom-in-Amsterdam
Huge posted:

You have eliminated your system as the cause, to your ears, it's also present on Spotify, HH has eliminated the master as the cause - there's two things remaining that are common all instances of the clicking / glitch ...

Your ears and brain!  

Yes indeed! And I trust my ears... now for my brain, that's another!

What keeps bugging me though that over Christmas we had a few friends over and drank way too much wine. Late in the evening one of my friends pointed the same thing out to me. I wasn't able to dig in at that moment and forgot about it until last night (probably triggered by all the new boxes). I'm pretty sure I have heard it in other recordings as well, but dismissed it so far. Probably best to leave it as it is (but annoying nevertheless!).

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by james n

I'll have a listen later - i downloaded my copy so will see if this does the same as noted above. 

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by hungryhalibut

I've just listened again and there's nothing untoward at all. Maybe I need some Majik 140s. 

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by analogmusic

maybe it's your 272 HH 

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by SongStream
Hungryhalibut posted:
SongStream posted:

On the Jo track there is annoying click on the left channel, but this is clearly in the recording / master and follows the timing of the beat.  If the timing was irregular it would certainly sound very similar to a digital glitch.  A studio engineer probably thought it added something, which it does, an annoying click on the left channel.

I didn't hear anything annoying - maybe my ropey old speakers are insufficiently resolving.

Well, I was listening on earphones in my office, so maybe its more noticeable via such a medium.  I'll try it later on my blurry Proacs out of curiosity and see if its noticeable / annoying with them.  Despite the fact that it does start at around 30secs into the track, it appears it is not what the OP is referring to anyway.

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by hungryhalibut
analogmusic posted:

maybe it's your 272 HH 

Maybe it's those pesky overpriced Ethernet cables. The clicks just can't get through. 

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by Got Hi-Fi?

I can hear it as well, even before the 30 second mark. 

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by Allante93
Tom-in-Amsterdam posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

I've been listening to Jo - in fact it's on now - and it's perfect - no glitch. Maybe there is a fault in your rip. 

Thanks for testing. I suspected a faulty rip as well, but I can hear the same thing in Spotify, on exactly the same mark. Maddening

Faulty Rip?

I don't know much about Streaming, but had the same problem with my Cdx2.

I eliminated my System by playing the same CD on my MM Super Drive, my ripping device.

Hence, the culprit was my Cdx2, 2 months later skipping gone, New 1202 VAM !

I was hoping, these types of glitches weren't present, in the world of Streaming.

Might be a stupid question, but is it possible for you to play the same tune on your ripping device?

Trying to gain insight into the World of Streaming!

Allante93!

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by james n

Just remembered to give this a play when i got home.

I can hear it  as the two synthesised piano notes fade up - starts at about 23 seconds on the louder of the two notes and continues through the track. Hadn't really noticed it until you mentioned it but it's just part of the track and doesn't spoil what is a pretty decent recording. 

James

 

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by SongStream
james n posted:

Just remembered to give this a play when i got home.

I can hear it  as the two synthesised piano notes fade up - starts at about 23 seconds on the louder of the two notes and continues through the track. Hadn't really noticed it until you mentioned it but it's just part of the track and doesn't spoil what is a pretty decent recording. 

James

 

Same here, played via SN2 and Proac D18s the click is audible, but much less emphasized than it was through the earphones I was listening with earlier, which are nothing special and quite thin sounding by comparison.  With the richer sound of the Naim / Proac combo I doubt I would have really registered it.  Good thing is, I've never listened to this album before, and I quite like it, so its still going and I agree the recording is rather nice when played properly.

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by james n

Yes i carried on too 

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by GraemeH

Nice track - Must explore more Goldfrapp.

G

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by SongStream

I'll be exploring further too.  I've been having a serious binge on Agnes Obel of late, and this album blends in with that quite well.  When I think Goldfrapp, I think of the Supernature album, which has its qualities, and I like it, but it is the only Goldfrapp album I'd previously listened to, and is very very different to the album in question here.

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by hungryhalibut
james n posted:

Just remembered to give this a play when i got home.

I can hear it  as the two synthesised piano notes fade up - starts at about 23 seconds on the louder of the two notes and continues through the track. Hadn't really noticed it until you mentioned it but it's just part of the track and doesn't spoil what is a pretty decent recording. 

James

 

Yes, I can hear that, it's almost like part of the piano sound, sort of mechanical. It's clearly just part of the recording. 

Tom, just enjoy the music and stop looking for faults. Everything is fine. 

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by SongStream
Hungryhalibut posted:
james n posted:

Just remembered to give this a play when i got home.

I can hear it  as the two synthesised piano notes fade up - starts at about 23 seconds on the louder of the two notes and continues through the track. Hadn't really noticed it until you mentioned it but it's just part of the track and doesn't spoil what is a pretty decent recording. 

James

 

Yes, I can hear that, it's almost like part of the piano sound, sort of mechanical. It's clearly just part of the recording. 

Tom, just enjoy the music and stop looking for faults. Everything is fine. 

Doesn't sound 'mechanical' to me; must be my uncomplicated network switch that's the issue.

Good advice.

Posted on: 26 January 2017 by Halloween Man

Tom, sounds like it's the recording at fault but could I suggest one simple inexpensive thing for you to try? A Sys Concept 1300 strand optical cable connecting your Mac Mini to Hugo. Order direct from Sys Concept in Canada, its only a few quid and might help with that 'grain' you describe. Worth a try because it will isolate your Hugo 100% from any rf noise from Mac Mini that might be causing the 'grain' and you can skip/sell the Gustard if you prefer it.

Posted on: 05 February 2017 by TOBYJUG

Can confirm glitch. But this is "electronica" after all. Many recordings have grunge programmed in. Don't forget the Trip Hop years when everything had some rumble, wow, flutter and fluff present.

A gestalt artefact to bring awareness of the vocal just coming in after perhaps, or an emulation of snare springs reacting ?

Posted on: 05 February 2017 by Dozey

Does this mean we can now discount HH's opinion on subtle sound quality questions?