Rediscovering my LPs

Good point from Simon - I also prefer original vinyls, if available at 'normal' prices.

As to Analogue's comment on Coldplay: hmmmm..... it will sound 'the same' on any medium - it's so processed and compressed that it's actually amazing one can still tell which tune it is 

lol.... that is true. bad choice of example.

But the Chord Dac is able to play AC/DC with the same energy as the vinyl... ?

I no longer own a TT, and am more than satisfied with the reproduction and sound my Naim sources provide. Interestingly enough my 30 year old son, and one or two of his contemporaries, have bought medium priced TTs, and he has acquired approx. 100 vinyl albums over the last 12 months (mainly duplicates of CDs he already owned). On two or three occasions when visiting I've noticed a) half a dozen of said albums hanging from the wall in custom made frames and b) him streaming a digital version of an album whilst reading the vinyl's gate fold sleeve!!! Apparently he only uses the TT when alone and in contemplative mood?!

When questioned it is apparent he (and his friends) enjoy the tactile, nostalgic element of albums, but can discern little if any sound improvement, but lots of 'snap, crackle & pop' from some of their acquisitions. In addition a point rarely mentioned on this forum is that viny lcosts, on average, at least 2-3 times as much as the CD version.

 I very much suspect that this recent resurgence in the popularity of vinyl will prove to be short lived, once the novelty and appeal to the Millenium generation has receded, and the forum vinyl afficianados have died off.

As some have said the 'which medium is better' debate is pretty futile and pointless (similar to many debates in respect of equipment). We each enjoy what we enjoy, and no one should feel the need to justify or convert (or disparage the choices of others). Let's all stick to giving advice when asked, and sharing the joy of listening to music (of all genres), whatever medium is chosen. Just my thoughts!

Timmo1341 posted:

...and the forum vinyl afficianados have died off.

Oh, cheers for that!

C.

Christopher_M posted:

Timmo1341 posted:

...and the forum vinyl afficianados have died off.

Oh, cheers for that!

C.

Soz, but inescapable I'm afraid!!

I can honestly say all 3 of my source components make awesome music.  

Christopher_M posted:

Timmo1341 posted:

...and the forum vinyl afficianados have died off.

Oh, cheers for that!

C.

Shouldn't have to wait too long, then 

Although I don't currently run a turntable, I do think there is something to be said for the sound vinyl can produce. Even a 20 year old Rega Planar 3 I ran for a stint did things my NDX can't do. Space, richness, texture maybe... I'm not sure but in spite of lacking the authority and control of the streamer it somehow was more lovely to listen to. It just sounded right. I'm currently working towards adding a Rega to my system again and am heartened by the vinyl revival. For some reason I just feel a little bit better about human beings knowing that even in the digital age we still hanker for something more real and hands on. 

NDX is a fine digital front end though, I could easily live with it but getting the best out of digital requires some additional effort, like using Uniti core as a server, using good ethernet cables etc.... 

Timmo1341 posted:

I no longer own a TT, and am more than satisfied with the reproduction and sound my Naim sources provide. Interestingly enough my 30 year old son, and one or two of his contemporaries, have bought medium priced TTs, and he has acquired approx. 100 vinyl albums over the last 12 months (mainly duplicates of CDs he already owned). On two or three occasions when visiting I've noticed a) half a dozen of said albums hanging from the wall in custom made frames and b) him streaming a digital version of an album whilst reading the vinyl's gate fold sleeve!!! Apparently he only uses the TT when alone and in contemplative mood?!

When questioned it is apparent he (and his friends) enjoy the tactile, nostalgic element of albums, but can discern little if any sound improvement, but lots of 'snap, crackle & pop' from some of their acquisitions. In addition a point rarely mentioned on this forum is that viny lcosts, on average, at least 2-3 times as much as the CD version.

 I very much suspect that this recent resurgence in the popularity of vinyl will prove to be short lived, once the novelty and appeal to the Millenium generation has receded, and the forum vinyl afficianados have died off.

As some have said the 'which medium is better' debate is pretty futile and pointless (similar to many debates in respect of equipment). We each enjoy what we enjoy, and no one should feel the need to justify or convert (or disparage the choices of others). Let's all stick to giving advice when asked, and sharing the joy of listening to music (of all genres), whatever medium is chosen. Just my thoughts!

By George, I think you nailed it, but be careful, most of my associates think I'm crazy.  

However,  I couldn't agree with you more!

Bought my LP 12, in 1986 1.4K.USD.

Sold it in 2015, for 1.5K.

A new Paridigm, no longer just the analog TT, or Digital CD. 

But now, the Analog TT, Digital CD, or Digital Streaming, depending on music or mood!

Personally I prefer the Digital CD, however the convenience of Streaming is hard to beat.

Back in the Day it was Vinyl vs the Silver devils.

They were harsh, to say the least, Eventually they smoothed out, and the convenience prevailed.

So if you have the Loot, by all means, Sport all three:

LP 12 / CD555 / NDS--------+ Statement!!!!

Otherwise, 2 out of 3, ain't bad!

Allante93!

Allante93 posted:

Otherwise, 2 out of 3, ain't bad!

Spoken like a Bat Out Of Hell.

the resurgence in vinyl isn't going anywhere... the reason prices are so high is because there aren't enough vinyl factories to make enough records !

^ Good news on that front. A state-of-the-art plant using new presses just went into production in Detroit a.k.a. Motown. A Jack White funded venture. Time will tell what the quality of these LPs will be as previous Third Man pressings have been considered variable. Fingers crossed the new output is of consistent high quality. 

Adam Zielinski posted:

As to Analogue's comment on Coldplay: hmmmm..... it will sound 'the same' on any medium - it's so processed and compressed that it's actually amazing one can still tell which tune it is 

I have to come clean and admit I too once bought a Coldplay CD. "A Rush of Blood..." back in 2002 I think. I have to agree the SQ was miserable. In mitigation, lest the taste police come round, this was back when most folks thought Coldplay were ok and well before everyone agreed they are actually rubbish. I wanted to work out the bass line for Clocks. Honest Gov.

I have always kept a TT and only started with CDs in the 1990's. In a Naim context, I had a Rega P5 (Elys cartridge I think, the blue one anyway) with Stageline and an CDX2 plus XPS2 as my comparison. These both went through 282/300, then later 252/300. Not too shabby for running a decent test of both media. Due to both intent and mistake, I ended up with both vinyl and CD formats of the same music for a number of albums. On all counts, the vinyl was the preferred medium. It was not until I acquired my CDS3 (still got it) that CD leapt ahead. There is quite a price differential in these players so fair dues to vinyl.

Right now I have the RP8/Apheta and Supercapped Superline up against the CDS3 and 555PS. It's a pretty fair scrap nowadays and I listen to both equally. I continue to buy both formats but now try to avoid duplication of titles. CD I guess mainly for new stuff where I'm taking a bit of a punt. Four quid a pop is ok if the album turns out to be mince. LPs mainly for known goodies and filling in gaps. One day I will come up with a buying policy but for now online shopping is a tad addictive.

I would also agree with others here that quite a lot of the deluxe 180 gram 4 sided, 2 LP pressings are a bit of a let down. I hope my CDS3 keeps going. It is by some margin my favourite CD player.

Dave

The latest coldplay album does have quite better SQ on Vinyl compared to a rush of blood....

joerand posted:

^ Good news on that front. A state-of-the-art plant using new presses just went into production in Detroit a.k.a. Motown. A Jack White funded venture. Time will tell what the quality of these LPs will be as previous Third Man pressings have been considered variable. Fingers crossed the new output is of consistent high quality. 

 

Sounds like a shrewd business man:

"press release estimates that the plant can produce 5,000 pieces per every eight hour shift at a speed of about 45 seconds per-record. They’ll be able to press both 12-inch and 7-inch records, all produced in space with precisely engineered sound containment to minimize noise pollution in the surround area"

Grand opening to the public later this month, music, sales of vintage released, etc...

The site is ideal, the resurgence of Detroit, the Cass Corridor Area.

"Third Man Pressing aims to dedicate a percentage of its capacity each month to pressing records for clients of this ilk, alleviating the bottle-necking of the production caused by major label orders, and bringing more niche, regionally-interesting pressings from inspired individuals onto record shelves worldwide."

This guy is native to area, Brilliant move, Downtown Detroit Area, walking distance from Comerica park, Ford Arena, and the New Hockey Arena scheduled to be completed later this year, which will also be shared with Detroit's Basketball team.This guy sounds like an opportunist, fingers crossed, let's hope, Quality enters the Equation, vs just Quantity!

Popcorn anyone!

Allante93!

BTW, I'm native to Detroit also!

Allante93!

Adam Zielinski posted:

Good point from Simon - I also prefer original vinyls, if available at 'normal' prices.

As to Analogue's comment on Coldplay: hmmmm..... it will sound 'the same' on any medium - it's so processed and compressed that it's actually amazing one can still tell which tune it is 

I hate Coldplay,  after excellent first two album now they sound like Jennifer Lopez

There is no dac or turntable on earth to change That! 

ha ha ok, but the last album isn't actually that bad, there are one or 2 decent tunes on the album.

Now listening to the Daft Punk Album "homework" on Vinyl.... very nice 

After selling my cleasraudio concept I was without a turntable, recently bought a new one, it is not a top one but it's OK,  using with stageline + flatcap2, plus a okki nokki

I must say that I am not hearing particularly good sound from it compare to 272/ cd2x both with power supplies

Maybe there are couple of blue note 45s that sound better but that's all, it is not bad but not better than streaming or cd and lot of hassle as well, clean them,put them in cover etc

Or I got a upgrade the turntable, or buy a hicap/superline,  change the standart interconnects,4/5 din cables, spend a fortune hoping it will get better

I think it will not get better with a DDD recording, maybe with a top class AAA recording so then what is the point I keep asking to my self

I think you need maybe a different phono stage.. not a Naim one. Maybe the rega one? or something more neutral ...

I can get an aria cheaper then hicap actually, less cables as well

Any other advice, using ortofon quintet blue?

The aria is a very well regarded Phono stage.... the reason I suggested a Non-Naim phono stage is that it will make your vinyl sound different than your Naim sources, maybe you have too much of Naim ?

and aria is considerably less expensive than super line and hicap DR... 

I've heard stage line powered off a 552, nice but it is a "Naim sounding" phono stage.

Emre - what is your turntable?

Rega Aria is a very good phonostage. One of the benefits is that is can accept both MM and MC cartridges (dual input).

Adam Zielinski posted:

Emre - what is your turntable?

Rega Aria is a very good phonostage. One of the benefits is that is can accept both MM and MC cartridges (dual input).

Eat c major with ortofon quintet blue mc connected to stageline/flatcap2

it is good but not better than digital