Is it time for a 282

Hi [@mention:1566878603996651]. I'm currently using my SN1 as a preamp only and the next step for me will be a 282. I'm not sure what the pre amp section of the SN is like compared to a 202, but the 282 seems logical, especially as you already have a HCDR, as I do. Then of course you'll want to hear a 250DR 

Hi,

Assuming you wish to stay with a seperate streamer/pre/power configuration then yes.  In my opinion the 282 is a game changer, far more of everything but most soundstage is massive in comparison with the 202. 

But as always demo preferably at home is essential. 

Good luck.  

Lindsay

You won't regret the move and there should be plenty of good used ones aroundTrouble is you'll end up putting a supercap on and that is a real game changer.

I've never compared the 282 and 202, but I once changed a 102 to a 282 and the difference was very significant, in terms of making the music more real. It also made everything sound much bigger and more powerful, like getting a free power amp upgrade as well. I'd imagine that the step from 202 to 282 would be similar. 

Regarding the investment, why not pick up an exdem or used 282? You may find a dealer who'd take your 202 in part exchange, making the whole process less painful.

I've heard the 282, 250DR combo many times now and it's heaven! That's where I'll probably end.

282, 250DR, sit back and relax. 

As a 282 owner, I would obviously agree that it's the next logical step for your system, but it's a big financial jump as you say, and I would suggest that you listen to one in your own system, and decide weather or not it really gives you enough of what you personally are looking for to justify the investment.

An alternative, which would bring different benefits you may or may not prefer, would be to put an NDAC on your NDX and power that with the XPS. Or another possibility: put a Hugo on the NDX, and sell the XPS (possibly putting the cash towards a 282.)

I upgraded to a 282 with a 200 and was very impressed with the improvement. Later I added a Hicap DR which made things even better so you are almost there from the looks of things. Although I then moved on to 250.2 and 250DR, the 282 sounded very good with the 200 - good way to go I think.

Having gone from a 102 to an 82, it was a revelation.

IMO, you will love a 282.

Yes, its a logical step.

Hi,

Thanks so far for the replies.Some great positives for the 282.

I have never tried a Hugo alough I did own a ndac partnered with my then nd5xs.I then bought the xps2 dr to partner the ndac but couldn't really justify or want for that matter a 3 box source.At that point I sold the ndac and nd5xs and replaced with the ndx.

My speakers are bowers and Wilkins pm1's and I am happy with them within the current system.I will of course be demoing any upgrade as to see what affects this will bring.

scott

Maybe a change to 272/Xps dr/250 dr is also a way. This was my decision when I compared this to NDX/nDac/XP5XS/202/HiCap DR/200. 

the nice thing about 282 is that it can be powered from 200, Hicap and ... the mighty Supercap...

overall a much better preamp than 202 (but 202 is very good for the price)

Given the kit you already own, I would not go down the 272 option... I didn't anyway and I had your set up (202/HCDR/200)

Much as I rate the 272, I wouldn't consider it if I was Scooot, unless I specifically wanted fewer boxes. 

At the time of replacing my nd5/ndac for the ndx the 272 was a possibility but choose the separate route.So I wouldn't revisit the 272 at present.

scott

If you are not going to go straight to a 552  then yes, the 282 makes a lot of sense. Have fun 

Nine minutes before you wrote that, Scott said he didn't want a 272...

Scooot posted:

At the time of replacing my nd5/ndac for the ndx the 272 was a possibility but choose the separate route.So I wouldn't revisit the 272 at present.

scott

Thanks HH!

Modern Technology!

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Allante93 posted:

Scooot posted:

At the time of replacing my nd5/ndac for the ndx the 272 was a possibility but choose the separate route.So I wouldn't revisit the 272 at present.

scott

Thanks HH!

Modern Technology!

It's deleted.

With reference to your post, now deleted! Running a Hugo into a 272 doesn't really make sense. It makes the entire digital side of the 272 redundant, so it just becomes an analogue preamp.

ChrisSU posted:

Allante93 posted:

Scooot posted:

At the time of replacing my nd5/ndac for the ndx the 272 was a possibility but choose the separate route.So I wouldn't revisit the 272 at present.

scott

Thanks HH!

Modern Technology!

It's deleted.

With reference to your post, now deleted! Running a Hugo into a 272 doesn't really make sense. It makes the entire digital side of the 272 redundant, so it just becomes an analogue preamp.

Bingo, that's my point, I recall a post, why do I need a Pre-Amp, I think!

And as usual, I got beat up, but HM, came to my rescue, and stated the following:

Paraphrasing

Even the best pre amp in the world, would degrade the SQ!

Hugo/250Dr

Vs

Hugo/S1/250DR

And to your point, No one laid a hand on  HM!

Allante93!

Why do I need a pre-amp?
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yes, the hugo has its own internal preamp\volume\voltage control. it cannot be bypassed. connecting it to a second preamp will degrade transparancy, even if it was the best preamp ever made.
 
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Scott,

This is a move I fancy making myself. Please let us know how you get on.

Chris

That being said, one still needs an pre amp as an Hub, for one's analog or digital preferences!

Plus they look nice!

Allante93!

Out!

well I tried Hugo  direct (with no preamp) into NAP 100 and didn't like the result

And Dave direct into NAP 250 DR and didn't like it either.

 Somehow Naim power amps sound best with a Naim preamp, maybe impedance matching issues... I don't agree with this idea that a preamp is now redundant and no longer needed at all. not with Naim power amps anyway.

 Hugo is a very, very good DAC, but it doesn't exactly make a 272 Streamer/DAC section sound broken by comparison. Again my definition of broken may be different from someone else.

I know because I have done the 272 vs Hugo comparison myself.

Hugo only makes sense as a complete replacement for a Naim source, but into a 272, forget it.

Too much redundancy there for me to ever consider this combo. better to have hugo into 202 or Hugo into 282/252/552.

I went from 202/HCDR/250.2 to 282/HCDR/250.2 and felt that it was one of the biggest upgrades I had done. Unless I win the lottery I can't see me moving up from the 282. Wonderful pre-amp. 

Just do it!

I made this change when I had a 202/Hicap/200 fronted by a bare NDX. 

The difference is extraordinary and the largest single upgrade I have made (although the 250DR comes close!).

I would do as HH suggests and try and find a used or ex demo model. I did the latter and the cost to change was just over £1000. I didn't even bother auditioning!

Richard

even if i win the lottery, I can't be too much bothered to move away from 282.....  source first for me, that's where I would spend the lottery money.... fully loaded top of the line Turntable with Superline/SupercapDR phono preamp....