Is it time for a 282

Ponty posted:

A curveball for you to consider. Swap the hicap for a supercap instead of a 282. Enjoy a supercharged 202. Upgrade the 202 to a 252 at a later date. This is also great if you are a vinyl user as your phone stage can be powered off the supercap (if Naim of course!). 

Don't think this is relevant in Scooot's case. A Supercap does take the 282 to a significantly higher level than the HiCap albeit one or two of them connected to the 282. Can't speak for the HiCap DR versions though.

Maybe the Supercap is the next step after the 282. It's worth a listen, maybe not before you can afford it. 

Hmmm I think 282 with HCDR and with a Naim Powerline on the Hicap DR is really very good, not sure if much needs to get better. I'm not in any hurry to try a SupercapDR on my 282. In fact it sounds so good now,  I don't want to change anything at all.

analogmusic posted:

Hmmm I think 282 with HCDR and with a Naim Powerline on the Hicap DR is really very good, not sure if much needs to get better. I'm not in any hurry to try a SupercapDR on my 282. In fact it sounds so good now,  I don't want to change anything at all.

I dare you to try. 

MangoMonkey and Simon-in-suffolk did, and the Supercap went back (for Mangomonkey - he said although better, but it wasn't particularly VFM upgrade on a 282, really should be used with a 252), and for S-i-S the Supercap went into the attic until he got a 252, and he preferred 282 with HCDR..... ho hum...

Of course that doesn't mean I won't love a Supercap, but there comes a point, if the music rocks, and feet are tapping, just enjoy it... which is what I am doing, right now, this very moment.... Powerline made a big difference to HCDR.

It's all a matter of personal taste I know. That's the beauty of having two good Naim dealers in my area. I've always tried before buying.

I would buy the oldest 282 that you can, and pay as little as possible for it, then send it to Darren at Class a A to be serviced, the service makes a huge difference, I did my 13 year old 282 last Summer and it was worth every penny.

If you do this and a new model does arrive you could sell it, and not lose any money.

Karl

Karl posted:

I would buy the oldest 282 that you can, and pay as little as possible for it, then send it to Darren at Class a A to be serviced,

Well one could - but that's nowhere near as much fun as buying a nice shiny new one 

Interesting thread , I'm looking forward to Scoots findings . I would be interested in a used 282 as I wouldn't buy new in its life cycle even though it probably won't change for years .... I'm happy using my SN2 as pre for the moment but it is a stop gap and for what I could sell the SN2 for I may not have to spend too much extra to change . I already have an Olive HiCap packed away that needs to go to class A . Has anyone got any experience of a 282 with Olive HIcap ? 

Karl posted:

I would buy the oldest 282 that you can, and pay as little as possible for it, then send it to Darren at Class a A to be serviced, the service makes a huge difference, I did my 13 year old 282 last Summer and it was worth every penny.

If you do this and a new model does arrive you could sell it, and not lose any money.

Karl

Sound advice.

Ray

Scooot posted:

Ponty,

Going  to 282 has been goal of mine from fist starting out with a supernait 1.Its took a long while to save enough to get the 282 so at this stage my mind is made up (if all goes well on home dem).

I would at this point prefer a 282-hicap dr than get a supercap for the 202.

scott

If your mind is made up that's the main thing! I was just throwing an alternative strategy out there depending on where you see your end game. Enjoy the 282! 

Scoot:  I am in total agreement to the upgrade from the 202 to the 282 .. I remember making that change myself and how in awe I was of the result.  Stunning results.

The main reason for posting though is to add a vote to the idea of buying a pre-loved unit.  It'll obviously be less outlay and you will enjoy it immediately .. but, you will also have the thrill of sometime in the future having it serviced and  effectively ending up with a brand new unit in your system .. 2 for the price of one .. 

I've changed my outlook on a pre-amp refresh.  Clearly the advance of technology and engineering design means that Naim will be able to get current 552 performance from a re-vamped 282 without a price rise

Just out of interest, would the 200 be fed from the HC once it's connected to the 282? 

And in my case then, when I upgrade to a 282, can I connect my 250DR to the standard socket on the 282? 

Finkfan posted:

Just out of interest, would the 200 be fed from the HC once it's connected to the 282? 

And in my case then, when I upgrade to a 282, can I connect my 250DR to the standard socket on the 282? 

If I think I understand what you're asking you have it all wrong.

The NAP 200 doesn't require a power supply unit , the 282 does which can be fed from the NAP 200. The 282 does requires a power supply unit in addition to the supplied NAPSC. The 250 cannot supply power to the 282, but it is compatible with it. What do you mean by the standard socket on the 282?

Finkfan posted:

Just out of interest, would the 200 be fed from the HC once it's connected to the 282? 

And in my case then, when I upgrade to a 282, can I connect my 250DR to the standard socket on the 282? 

It's all in the manual. You connect both the 282 and 250 to the Hicap. They don't connect directly. 

Hi [@mention:1566878604005007]. I understand that the 282 can be fed from the 200. But the OP has a HCDR, so would the 200 be connected to one of the signal out terminals of the HCDR once the HC is connected to the 282? 

And then for myself, I just wondered if my 250DR could be connected to the standard socket on the 282, therefore avoiding adding the extra 1.2m of cables to the signal from 282 to 250 via the HC? I just really like the idea of connecting directly from pre amp to power amp. That's how I've connected my 250 to my SN

Hungryhalibut posted:

Finkfan posted:

Just out of interest, would the 200 be fed from the HC once it's connected to the 282? 

And in my case then, when I upgrade to a 282, can I connect my 250DR to the standard socket on the 282? 

It's all in the manual. You connect both the 282 and 250 to the Hicap. They don't connect directly. 

But you could!?! 

Why are you so keen to go against the Naim recommendation?

It's not that I'm keen to go against recommendation at all. That's just the way my mind works. I don't just go along with something because someone said it. I question it. Is that wrong of me? 

It's not just someone though, it's how Naim tell you to do it, in order that the equipment works as intended. 

I'm just asking a question

Finkfan posted:

Hi [@mention:1566878604005007]. I understand that the 282 can be fed from the 200. But the OP has a HCDR, so would the 200 be connected to one of the signal out terminals of the HCDR once the HC is connected to the 282? 

And then for myself, I just wondered if my 250DR could be connected to the standard socket on the 282, therefore avoiding adding the extra 1.2m of cables to the signal from 282 to 250 via the HC? I just really like the idea of connecting directly from pre amp to power amp. That's how I've connected my 250 to my SN

Page 11 on, It's all here :

https://www.naimaudio.com/site...ation%20Rev%201J.pdf

Finkfan posted:

It's not that I'm keen to go against recommendation at all. That's just the way my mind works. I don't just go along with something because someone said it. I question it. Is that wrong of me? 

Why re-invent the wheel when Naim have put so many years into designing a product with all their resources.

If it was revolutionary OK but I don't think so.

But wouldn't it be better for, let's say a superlumina cable, to go straight from 282 to 250 instead of via a 'standard' snaic? 

Anyway it doesn't matter. We're going off topic 

Finkfan posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

Finkfan posted:

Just out of interest, would the 200 be fed from the HC once it's connected to the 282? 

And in my case then, when I upgrade to a 282, can I connect my 250DR to the standard socket on the 282? 

It's all in the manual. You connect both the 282 and 250 to the Hicap. They don't connect directly. 

But you could!?! 

You could but you most definitely should not. Running the signal through the power supply ensures that the system earth and signal earths are run as close together as possible to minimise noise and maximise performance.

Connecting, say a NAP200 directly to a NAC282 when it's being powered by a dedicated power supply such as the Hicap also risks overloading the regulators as you are then powering the NAC282 with both the Hicap and the pre-amp supply in the NAP200.  Any resulting damage may well be outside of the warranty as the connection instructions were ignored.