Rega RP6 with a Clarify arm. help with setup.

Posted by: av in bc on 04 February 2017

also mounted on the Clearaudio Clarify arm is a Maestro V2 ebony cart on an RP6 with a third party subplatter.

 

sounds very good so far after a lot tweaking and with the help of Plurison.  the arm was installed by a local turntable artisan but not really setup at all and i'm no expert.

 

the issue is with the stylus that jumps or skips at intro groove until it catches the music groove so it sounds

like it skips right through the intro into the beginning groove and sometimes jumps a couple of times

until it settles in. (hope that makes any sense at all).

the whole ordeal is quite short, maybe less than a couple of seconds but it is annoying and i'm also worried

about some possible damage to those irreplaceable lp's (aren't they all).

 

antiskating is at what i think is the factory setting of 2.4 but can't be sure as i am the second owner, and the tracking force (weight) is now set at 2.8g

the manual for the cart recommends 2.2g so that's what i started with but the Plurison representative said 2.8g is recommended so i'm trying that.

 

still the jumping or skipping problem persists and Clearaudio strongly advises against changing the antiskating which may cause damage to the arm. 

Posted on: 06 February 2017 by Adam Zielinski
av in bc posted:

you were no help at all.

Did you manage to set the antiskating by using a settup blank LP as I recommended?

Posted on: 07 February 2017 by DrPo

AV what i was referring to is the "Clearaudio stylus force gauge";  

 gauge

Posted on: 07 February 2017 by av in bc

i think i saw one of those in a video, wondered what it did. is it like a scale if one isn't available?

i still don't really understand how on the clearaudio the tracking force is adjusted by the counterweight and on the rega it is used to balance the stylus and there is a seperate control for force and you don't need a scale to do the setup. 

Posted on: 07 February 2017 by av in bc

i upgraded from an rp1 to 3 then a 6 and found the 1 to 3 more of dramatic change. changed cartridges from an exact2 to a 10x5 to the maestro where i thought the 10x5 wasn't really better than the exact, just different. then finally this arm which has caused me some stress to be sure. firstly it doesn't fit so the opening has to be enlarged which wasn't easy and then the setup of the clarify is difficult especially for a beginner but it is by far and away the most impressive upgrade i've ever done to my system, including adding hicaps to the supernait and stageline. i think i herd someone say that the arm was the most important part of a turntable and i didn't believe it. i do now. the clarify is not the end all and be all of course, it's just something that came up for a good price that i could kind of afford (had to sell some nice records though) but it brings the 6 to completely new level, i just can't believe that these are the same records going through the same amp and the same speakers as before.

Posted on: 07 February 2017 by Hanner

The counterweight is for balancing the arm-cartridge-system, the small knob on the back end of the armwand is used to adjust tracking force. Don't you have a manual? 

Posted on: 07 February 2017 by DrPo
av in bc posted:

i think i saw one of those in a video, wondered what it did. is it like a scale if one isn't available?

i still don't really understand how on the clearaudio the tracking force is adjusted by the counterweight and on the rega it is used to balance the stylus and there is a seperate control for force and you don't need a scale to do the setup. 

Yes it is a scale as the Clearaudio tone arms have a very precise tracking force adjustment mechanism (look at the manual as Hanner says)  but they don't list the values of the tracking force for each setting (as I seem to infer it would be expected) which necessitates a scale. It comes with a TT's purchase, not with a cartridge that's why you don't have it. Electric scales are very convenient but the height at which they measure (simulating the height of an LP disk) makes a hell of a difference for the magnetic bearings of the Clarify. In my case this amounted to 0.5mg difference between a Pro-Ject automatic scale and the Clearaudio scale!

Posted on: 08 February 2017 by av in bc
Hanner posted:

The counterweight is for balancing the arm-cartridge-system, the small knob on the back end of the armwand is used to adjust tracking force. Don't you have a manual? 

yes i glanced at the manual once or twice.  the wheel at the back is what moves the counterweight. there is no other way to move it, the weight is locked and can't move freely like on the rb303. there isn't a separate control for weight and force, at least not like there is on the 303.  

there are only 2 adjustments on this arm, 1 is to move the counterweight back and forth with the knob to adjust the balance of the cartridge and the other is to move the antiskating with the wheel at bottom of the arm. the rega arm has 3 adjustments, 1 is the balance by moving the weight, 1 is the force with the side wheel and the other is the skating with the push/pull rod.

there is nothing in the manual about adjusting balance or weight of the cartridge at least not like it works with rega arm. i don't know maybe i'm missing something but it seems that the two arms are different in the way they are setup.