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ynwa250505 posted:

Eloise posted:

Just incase anyone really isn't voting labour just because of the risk of Diane Abbott becoming Home Secretary.  Thats looking increasingly unlikely with her reportedly stepping aside "indefinitely" due to her current ill health.

I am not the least bit concerned about the risk of Diane Abbot becoming Home Secretary ....

It is shall we say interesting that Diane Abbot has suddenly is away due to ill health.  If she is actually ill I hope she gets better.  But I feel she was taken off the radar because she is spoiling the good (if any) perception of JC.  JC is a clever politician who wants to come accross as a sincere person with good intentions.  I really hope that the likes of DA has done enough damage for Labour not to be voted into Government..

Romi posted:

ynwa250505 posted:

Eloise posted:

Just incase anyone really isn't voting labour just because of the risk of Diane Abbott becoming Home Secretary.  Thats looking increasingly unlikely with her reportedly stepping aside "indefinitely" due to her current ill health.

I am not the least bit concerned about the risk of Diane Abbot becoming Home Secretary ....

It is shall we say interesting that Diane Abbot has suddenly is away due to ill health.  If she is actually ill I hope she gets better.  But I feel she was taken off the radar because she is spoiling the good (if any) perception of JC.  JC is a clever politician who wants to come accross as a sincere person with good intentions.  I really hope that the likes of DA has done enough damage for Labour not to be voted into Government..

Sorry but I find that comment vindictive ... unless you routinely lie to your employee about being sick when you want a day off: why do you assume when people say they are ill they are doing it for political reasons.

It maybe that some of her problems over the election campaign have been caused by the illness, or the vitriolic hate she has been facing has caused her illness.

You may think some of the criticisms of her is deserved (and some of her interviews have not been up to the required standard) but no one deserves to receive the kind of abuse she has via twitter and presumably elsewhere...

Moderated Post: Eloise, I have removed the image you posted.  You know why...

No worries there, still have Ed Balls words ringing in my ears when he left the Treasury, spent all the money ha ha. We have all been paying ever since, some have short memories and rose tinted specs.

Gazza posted:

No worries there, still have Ed Balls words ringing in my ears when he left the Treasury, spent all the money ha ha. We have all been paying ever since, some have short memories and rose tinted specs.

You can't even get your facts right ... the letter was written by Liam Byrne.  The letters which are intended as humour from one holder of the office to the next.  It was intended to ape a letter written by Tory Reginald Maudling to his Labour successor James Callaghan in 1964: "Good luck, old cock ... Sorry to leave it in such a mess."

Unfortunately David Laws decided to make political capital out of it rather than see the funny side!

Still no money left though was there"...

Gazza posted:

Still no money left though was there"...

And even less money now and the economy is growing less than any country in the EU ... your point is?

I'll never vote Labour - as previously explained I just don't subscribe to socialism - but Dianne Abbot has been experiencing health problems for some time.  

Eloise posted:

Romi posted:

ynwa250505 posted:

Eloise posted:

Just incase anyone really isn't voting labour just because of the risk of Diane Abbott becoming Home Secretary.  Thats looking increasingly unlikely with her reportedly stepping aside "indefinitely" due to her current ill health.

I am not the least bit concerned about the risk of Diane Abbot becoming Home Secretary ....

It is shall we say interesting that Diane Abbot has suddenly is away due to ill health.  If she is actually ill I hope she gets better.  But I feel she was taken off the radar because she is spoiling the good (if any) perception of JC.  JC is a clever politician who wants to come accross as a sincere person with good intentions.  I really hope that the likes of DA has done enough damage for Labour not to be voted into Government..

Sorry but I find that comment vindictive ... unless you routinely lie to your employee about being sick when you want a day off: why do you assume when people say they are ill they are doing it for political reasons.

It maybe that some of her problems over the election campaign have been caused by the illness, or the vitriolic hate she has been facing has caused her illness.

You may think some of the criticisms of her is deserved (and some of her interviews have not been up to the required standard) but no one deserves to receive the kind of abuse she has via twitter and presumably elsewhere...

You may have your opinion and I will defend the right for you to have it.  But I stand by my words..

Gazza posted:

Still no money left though was there"...

Of course there was - the accusation was one of the most ridiculous slurs in recent political history. How did the coalition government function from day 1 if there was no money? There was a deficit but that is not the same thing at all and it was not caused directly by any Labour policies but by the need to spend billions bailing out the banks who had lent money that could never be repaid. Government finances are not quite the same as household finances as the right would have us believe. It's essentially part of an ideological ruse to shrink the state, undermine public services and reduce taxes for the wealthy. The very wealthy of course do not depend on public services like education, health, etc.

Clive

OK I give up.....IF YOU THINK RUNNING A DEFICIT THAT HIGH IS OK

PS On the 'no money' issue. Do note that in 2010 the U.K. had an AAA credit rating, which was lost in 2013 - under a coalition government and a Tory Chancellor! So it looks as if the international money markets had a different view. That treble A  rating has still not been recovered despite Tory financial wizardry! This is of course an over-simplistic narrative but so too is the one that claims that Labour governments are financially incompetent while the Conservatives are competent - it's just that the latter simplistic story is so constantly peddled by the right-wing media that it becomes a truism, or 'common sense' if you prefer Gramscian theory.

Clive

Cdb posted:

PS On the 'no money' issue. Do note that in 2010 the U.K. had an AAA credit rating, which was lost in 2013 - under a coalition government and a Tory Chancellor! So it looks as if the international money markets had a different view. That treble A  rating has still not been recovered despite Tory financial wizardry! This is of course an over-simplistic narrative but so too is the one that claims that Labour governments are financially incompetent while the Conservatives are competent - it's just that the latter simplistic story is so constantly peddled by the right-wing media that it becomes a truism, or 'common sense' if you prefer Gramscian theory.

Clive

Nice try Clive, but I fear you'll never convince the readers of our wonderful U.K. right wing press to seek out the unbiased truth - much easier to believe and trot out the Daily Fail platitudes!

Gazza posted:

OK I give up.....IF YOU THINK RUNNING A DEFICIT THAT HIGH IS OK

 

Well as I said, having a deficit and having no money are not the same things. The large deficit in 2010 was the consequence of the massive international financial crash and economic depression, not the result of spending too much on schools, etc. Many economists felt that the fiscal and economic strategy of the coalition government in 2010 was suicidal as big cuts in public spending would slow the economy's recovery and this is what happened. At the same time these policies failed to get rid of the deficit anyhow - now forecast for 2025, I believe. The alternative was to borrow money at the historically low interest rates available and invest in the economy. Sensible investment could have rebalanced the economy in more productive directions and more fairly geographically. Instead, in the run up to the 2015 election Osborne engineered a housing price boom. As a result much of recent economic growth was due to consumer activity and now the pound has slumped this is likely to tail off and the economy to slow down again.

Clive

Cdb posted:

Instead, in the run up to the 2015 election Osborne engineered a housing price boom.

Osbourne's only interest was in encouraging people to buy more wallpaper!

Eloise posted:

Romi posted:

ynwa250505 posted:

Eloise posted:

Just incase anyone really isn't voting labour just because of the risk of Diane Abbott becoming Home Secretary.  Thats looking increasingly unlikely with her reportedly stepping aside "indefinitely" due to her current ill health.

I am not the least bit concerned about the risk of Diane Abbot becoming Home Secretary ....

It is shall we say interesting that Diane Abbot has suddenly is away due to ill health.  If she is actually ill I hope she gets better.  But I feel she was taken off the radar because she is spoiling the good (if any) perception of JC.  JC is a clever politician who wants to come accross as a sincere person with good intentions.  I really hope that the likes of DA has done enough damage for Labour not to be voted into Government..

Sorry but I find that comment vindictive ... unless you routinely lie to your employee about being sick when you want a day off: why do you assume when people say they are ill they are doing it for political reasons.

It maybe that some of her problems over the election campaign have been caused by the illness, or the vitriolic hate she has been facing has caused her illness.

You may think some of the criticisms of her is deserved (and some of her interviews have not been up to the required standard) but no one deserves to receive the kind of abuse she has via twitter and presumably elsewhere...

Moderated Post: Eloise, I have removed the image you posted.  You know why...

Richard - well done - I couldn't agree more!!! Roll on Friday ...

give it up .... its so boring and pointless ...

Eloise posted:

Moderated Post: Eloise, I have removed the image you posted.  You know why...

Quite understand Richard.

ynwa250505 posted:

give it up .... its so boring and pointless ...

I really wish you would (give up that is).  Debate is fine ... but all you do is come here and moan about the debate!

Some light relief ... http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/...080617voteforfroglet

I'm a bit concerned that Clanger Moon isn't a democracy though!

Debate? DEBATE??? .... you call a lot of entrenched toing and froing of invective a debate .... all sensible insight/comment disappeared long long ago ...

Roll on Friday ....

Voting has now been announced to take over two days.  8 and 9th of June.   Due to a record amount of registered voters.

To relieve block up at the polling stations.   Those votes for Labour and Liberals do so on 8th June.     Those votes for Conservative and UKIP are on Friday 9th June.

Please be aware that those votes given on the incorrect days will not be valid.

ynwa250505 posted:

Debate? DEBATE??? .... you call a lot of entrenched toing and froing of invective a debate .... all sensible insight/comment disappeared long long ago ...

Roll on Friday ....

Go on then, let's have some sensible insight/comment from you. Clearly you are itching to share. 

ynwa250505 posted:

Debate? DEBATE??? .... you call a lot of entrenched toing and froing of invective a debate .... all sensible insight/comment disappeared long long ago ...

Roll on Friday ....

yawn250505,

You have just very adequately described the vast majority of your own posts - invective, and absolutely nothing in the form of an educated debate.

There are others on the right wing of the Tory side who (although it pains me to admit it) do engage in meaningful debate. You are not one of them.

Perhaps your forum name gives away your inclination to find anything that contains more than one or two syllables "so boring and pointless ..." .

And yawn250505,

I can imagine that on Friday when the result comes out in your favour, you will be completely magnanimous in victory?

I guess not. That would indeed be even more of a miracle than Labour winning the election.  

TOBYJUG posted:

Voting has now been announced to take over two days.  8 and 9th of June.   Due to a record amount of registered voters.

To relieve block up at the polling stations.   Those votes for Labour and Liberals do so on 8th June.     Those votes for Conservative and UKIP are on Friday 9th June.

Please be aware that those votes given on the incorrect days will not be valid.

Oh dear,

now when the Conservatives lose the election, Naim will be vilified for allowing this 'fake news' to be published in their forum, and the conservatives will demand a re-run.