Cables Again.

Oh dear, I do wish you hadn't posted that Dave...

I about to my an DIN/DIN interconnect between 272/cd2x..... i was thinking hiline or Chord STA..

is it worth to pay that sort of money to go SL, Chord Sarum or Music way?  probably not) just thinking...

Dave,

I understand Music is very good indeed but how much of an improvement is it over the SL?  Or is it just different?

Regards,

Lindsay

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Dave,

I understand Music is very good indeed but how much of an improvement is it over the SL?  Or is it just different?

Regards,

Lindsay

Too early to say, Lindsay, it's only been in place for a couple of hours now, but I'll report back once I've reached any conclusions.

Mind you, it'll have to be bl..dy good, have you seen how much this stuff costs? .

Yes

more than my pre amp or my my cd player i guess  

Emre posted:

I about to my an DIN/DIN interconnect between 272/cd2x..... i was thinking hiline or Chord STA..

is it worth to pay that sort of money to go SL, Chord Sarum or Music way?  probably not) just thinking...

 

For what it's worth, I demoed the SL din / din against the Chord Sarum one, and chose the SL version, and which I felt was a huge step up from the HiLine.

To be fair, this was part of a full Super Lumina loom, so it may well have been benefitting from SL synergy, as much as anything else.

When I first moved onto the HiLine, I thought it sounded great, but I was somewhat put off by it's fragility, as I had to return it to Naim for a (free) repair.

I gave up on the hiline for that reason bought a Chord Sig TA and have never looked back. 

The Strat (Fender) posted:

I gave up on the hiline for that reason bought a Chord Sig TA and have never looked back. 

i wonder how it compares with SL, also considering the price difference?  

I hope that people that is going to Bristol this weekend can report back on the new Sarum T series. Chord has managed to get  what they claim to be part of the Music magic the insulation they use in Music available in the new Sarum T range.

Fortunately for Sarum users older versions of Sarum can be upgraded to the T version. So many upgrades so little money!

Claus  

tonym posted:

Oh dear, I do wish you hadn't posted that Dave...

If I'm apprehensive over the outlay involved in a Chord Music full loom, I can't begin to imagine  how you see it, given your system setup ............. seriously scary.

There is a plan B here though, which takes into account the total outlay, against the cost of swapping my 300 DR for a 500 DR, and I have a feeling that route may prevail.

It's all good. 

I certainly intend to have a listen to the Sarum T stuff at the Bristol tomorrow. I went from Sarum TA IC to SL IC and then SL speaker cables. I have a nasty feeling this Taylon stuff might just confuse things!

Damn. Why is this HiFi game so complicated.

I'm am going to ignore cables and simply listen to music. Yes, that's it. But these cables might make music more…err…musical. 

nigelb posted:

I certainly intend to have a listen to the Sarum T stuff at the Bristol tomorrow. I went from Sarum TA IC to SL IC and then SL speaker cables. I have a nasty feeling this Taylon stuff might just confuse things!

Damn. Why is this HiFi game so complicated.

I'm am going to ignore cables and simply listen to music. Yes, that's it. But these cables might make music more…err…musical. 

Hi Nigel,

Though I'll spend next couple of weeks deciding about this Chord Music thingy, I'd welcome your opinion as to what you hear at Bristol, comparing your existing SL with the Chord offering.

dave marshall posted:

nigelb posted:

I certainly intend to have a listen to the Sarum T stuff at the Bristol tomorrow. I went from Sarum TA IC to SL IC and then SL speaker cables. I have a nasty feeling this Taylon stuff might just confuse things!

Damn. Why is this HiFi game so complicated.

I'm am going to ignore cables and simply listen to music. Yes, that's it. But these cables might make music more…err…musical. 

Hi Nigel,

Though I'll spend next couple of weeks deciding about this Chord Music thingy, I'd welcome your opinion as to what you hear at Bristol, comparing your existing SL with the Chord offering.

 

Hi Dave,

Although it is tricky to attempt a direct comparison between one's own system and an entirely different system in a different room, I will try and pick out some traits from the Sarum T stuff and report back.

Looking forward (I think) to hearing your findings. Just tell us SL is the best and don't bother with this new-fangled Taylon stuff and save us all a lot of money!

nigelb posted:

dave marshall posted:

nigelb posted:

I certainly intend to have a listen to the Sarum T stuff at the Bristol tomorrow. I went from Sarum TA IC to SL IC and then SL speaker cables. I have a nasty feeling this Taylon stuff might just confuse things!

Damn. Why is this HiFi game so complicated.

I'm am going to ignore cables and simply listen to music. Yes, that's it. But these cables might make music more…err…musical. 

Hi Nigel,

Though I'll spend next couple of weeks deciding about this Chord Music thingy, I'd welcome your opinion as to what you hear at Bristol, comparing your existing SL with the Chord offering.

 

Hi Dave,

Although it is tricky to attempt a direct comparison between one's own system and an entirely different system in a different room, I will try and pick out some traits from the Sarum T stuff and report back.

Looking forward (I think) to hearing your findings. Just tell us SL is the best and don't bother with this new-fangled Taylon stuff and save us all a lot of money!

Thanks Nigel, though as I mentioned above, there is, in place, a plan B! 

I know these cables can and do make a difference but at £1629 for a cable? I pinch my nose and blow it which clears the ears, which Improves the hearing, I then can,t justify the upgrade"......... has worked so far. Try it during a demo, I dare you.

The music is what matters

This should be interesting...

dave marshall posted:

nigelb posted:

I certainly intend to have a listen to the Sarum T stuff at the Bristol tomorrow. I went from Sarum TA IC to SL IC and then SL speaker cables. I have a nasty feeling this Taylon stuff might just confuse things!

Damn. Why is this HiFi game so complicated.

I'm am going to ignore cables and simply listen to music. Yes, that's it. But these cables might make music more…err…musical. 

Hi Nigel,

Though I'll spend next couple of weeks deciding about this Chord Music thingy, I'd welcome your opinion as to what you hear at Bristol, comparing your existing SL with the Chord offering.

 

Unfortunately you won't be able to draw any conclusions between Sarum T and SL without a direct comparison. However, the differences between Sarum T and Super will be very evident, or at least they were for me. And they were all good.

But, given that Nigel swapped from Supers to SL, he may not like what the new T versions do. I suspect that, although we all pretty much all share a love of Naim equipment, some of us hear completely different things when it comes to cables, perhaps in much the same way that speaker choice divides opinion (but we can rationalise that).

Personally, as I've written before, in all the comparisons I've done between SL and Super Sarum, the results have favoured the Sarums (and I'm being polite); the new T versions - given how they outperformed Supers when I heard them on a Friday - have opened a very big gap. I will certainly be upgrading my remaining Super power cables.

So where does that leave Music? I think they are and remain quite special. When I got home, like many of us do, I played a couple of tracks, which then became an album and then another, and I was emerged in a musical performance, which was just that; music. I didn't hear the system, I didn't listen to the "inherent benefits" of 24 bit over 16,  analogue versus digital or whatever, just great music by great musicians. It was and is a privilege to have access at this level.

Hold on Dave contradiction here you're not concerned about the bit rate or whether it's analogue or digital but you do think the wire is enhancing the enjoyment

Yep, weird huh.

interesting, do you use the Chord Music I/C with your KDS or LP12?

does it enhance the LP12? Apologies if I have missed the post where you may have mentioned this already.

No problem, I probably haven't posted about it. I use Music on both and, yes, it does enhance the LP12

Claus-Thoegersen posted:

I hope that people that is going to Bristol this weekend can report back on the new Sarum T series. Chord has managed to get  what they claim to be part of the Music magic the insulation they use in Music available in the new Sarum T range.

Fortunately for Sarum users older versions of Sarum can be upgraded to the T version. So many upgrades so little money!

 

Claus  

Yes, but the cost of upgrading a 1m Sarum Super ARAY interconnect to the new Sarum T Super ARAY is a cool £1,000. A lot cheaper than Music, but it would be interesting to compare T to Music. 

dave marshall posted:

nigelb posted:

I certainly intend to have a listen to the Sarum T stuff at the Bristol tomorrow. I went from Sarum TA IC to SL IC and then SL speaker cables. I have a nasty feeling this Taylon stuff might just confuse things!

Damn. Why is this HiFi game so complicated.

I'm am going to ignore cables and simply listen to music. Yes, that's it. But these cables might make music more…err…musical. 

Hi Nigel,

Though I'll spend next couple of weeks deciding about this Chord Music thingy, I'd welcome your opinion as to what you hear at Bristol, comparing your existing SL with the Chord offering.

 

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts after spending some time with the Music cable Dave

the chord music cable seems to be all about this mil-spec dielectric insulation, which only Chord Cables have access to.

Wish I could hear it.