Is there any way to edit the UPnP server list on a ND5-XS streamer?

I'm no network expert but I imagine that the ND5XS will always show all active UPnP servers whose IP addresses are on the same network.

The solution might be to create a new network/subnet whose IP addresses are shared by the Sonos servers/speakers but perhaps others with more network experience might be able to give more detailed advice.

I think you're right. I certainly don't want to get into creating a new network for something as trivial as this though!

I just wondered as, for example, Bubble UPnP Server (which I also use) has the option in it's setup page to choose which servers are shown in any app that connects to it. I wondered if the Naim app had something similar hidden away.

I have exactly the same situation here, every now and then, I use my laptop from work at my home which somehow contains also a UPnP server.

It would be a nice touch if it would be possible to 'ignore' certain UpnP servers ...

I've never found a simple way (apart from turning off UPnP on routers etc) to limit the list at the top of the tree. That said, the Naim app remembers where you were last, so if you have a favorite server you need (almost) never browse "upwards" or leave your favourite "view" (By Album for me) under your favourite server (Minim on Synology NAS for me). I think this is a good way to operate and why (in beta forum sometimes and sometimes here) it is important to ask for features.  

So, apropos that last: what is the "pair" of features you'd like to see for "add and delete favourites" in the UPnP tree? Would it be as a "channel" (eg Minim-ByAlbum) under the existing Radio and iRadio presets, allowing you to jump to a specific view from the main menu (while skipping all the chaff)? Could be cool and merges with the "unify all my music" theme... esp if an equivalent Tidal-MyMusic or Spotify-MyFavorites or whatever could be added. 

Food for thought!

Regards alan 

Unfortunately, the latest iOS version of the naim app does not stay connected forcing you back to the server list each time it reconnects.

sjbabbey posted:

Unfortunately, the latest iOS version of the naim app does not stay connected forcing you back to the server list each time it reconnects.

Ah. Sorry, did not know that... and it's likely inappropriate to mention the beta program at this point other than to say this kind of thing would be a high priority to fix... 

Regards alan

A NAIM app will show all UPnP servers available on the network - this way you can choose which one to 'stream' from.

sjbabbey posted:

Unfortunately, the latest iOS version of the naim app does not stay connected forcing you back to the server list each time it reconnects.

Not by design from our end ... I suspect this could be an indication that your UPnP server is rebuilding its virtual filesystem and when you reenter UPnP the previous location is no longer there for the app to go back to so it has to go back to the server list.

What UPnP server is this with?

Phil

Phil, 

It's Asset R5.1 running on a QNAP TS451. 

The reconnecting issue occurs if I use the ipad2.for browsing e.g. this forum and sometimes if the app is open on the now playing screen and I close that screen it disconnects and reconnects to the initial top screen.

I've seen similar thing happen to me several times.... reported it on a beta-thread already.
I cannot possibly imagine why my UnitiServe would be re-building it's library - that's my UPnP server. I also have MinimServer pre-installed as a backup, but that only has one folder, with one album in it...

Adam Zielinski posted:

I've seen similar thing happen to me several times.... reported it on a beta-thread already.
I cannot possibly imagine why my UnitiServe would be re-building it's library - that's my UPnP server. I also have MinimServer pre-installed as a backup, but that only has one folder, with one album in it...

Hi Adam,

The app should only return back to the root of the UPnP browse tree on one of two occasions...

1) The snapshotted "return point" in the UPnP browse tree isn't there for the app to return to.

2) The app has been exited completely (either killed and swiped out of background apps or closed by the iPad itself and then re-run).

Could you and sjbabbey perhaps take me a video showing the issue that I can get over to the software guys to see if they can see anything that might give us some clues as to why you guys are seeing this?

Cheers

Phil

Phil,

I've no idea how to go about taking a video but something has occurred to me arising out of how I browse my music library.

Firstly, I'm using Asset 5.1 installed on my QNAP TS451 NAS and more often than not I use one of Asset's built-in Playlist options e.g. "New Albums"/"Album Jukebox" to select an album to listen to rather than the normal metadata based Artist/Album or Genre etc. categories. If these are "dynamic" playlists might this explain the reconnection behaviour?

I guess that I could try browsing by category only for a while to see if this issue still persists but wonder whether your software guys could check this out.

Well, that theory didn't work. After ten minutes on the forum after selecting an album via the Artist/Album category I went back to the app only to get the dreaded reconnecting message and the top menu rather than back to the list of artists screen I'd left.

Phil,

At what point does the app take its "snapshot" ? For example, suppose I were to browse via Album/Artist to John Martyn and between categories CD/HR to pick an album, would the app take its snapshot at that point or would it wait until I selected another app on my iPad which might be after I'd navigated away from that album perhaps back to the list of artists to pick another album to queue.

If I then return to the naim app it should open in the Artist list but not if the app has taken a snapshot when I selected the John Martyn album.

sjbabbey posted:

Well, that theory didn't work. After ten minutes on the forum after selecting an album via the Artist/Album category I went back to the app only to get the dreaded reconnecting message and the top menu rather than back to the list of artists screen I'd left.

That happens to me very frequently. I get reconnecting and then the Asset logo. I assumed it was the way it was supposed to work, but it is a bit irritating. 

After reconnecting, I am returned to home (not the server list) view. Select the music library or top left icon and I am back to where I was. Same behaviour with ios or android. I would prefer (expect) that it returned me to the last view after reconnecting. A non-positive undocumented feature, perhaps?

Asset 5.1, naim app 5.4 (50402) , ios 10.2.1

timster posted:

After reconnecting, I am returned to home (not the server list) view. Select the music library or top left icon and I am back to where I was. Same behaviour with ios or android. I would prefer (expect) that it returned me to the last view after reconnecting. A non-positive undocumented feature, perhaps?

Asset 5.1, naim app 5.4 (50402) , ios 10.2.1

Yes I first reconnect to the top/home menu but when I tap on the top left icon I get the servers icons.

timster posted:

After reconnecting, I am returned to home (not the server list) view. Select the music library or top left icon and I am back to where I was. Same behaviour with ios or android. I would prefer (expect) that it returned me to the last view after reconnecting. A non-positive undocumented feature, perhaps?

Asset 5.1, naim app 5.4 (50402) , ios 10.2.1

When the app reconnects to a device then it should go to the input selection screen so that is correct ...

... the question is, why for you is the app disconnecting in the first place? Can you try setting the "Stay Connected" option in the app Settings -> Other Settings menu if you haven't already?

Phil

Phil Harris posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

I've seen similar thing happen to me several times.... reported it on a beta-thread already.
I cannot possibly imagine why my UnitiServe would be re-building it's library - that's my UPnP server. I also have MinimServer pre-installed as a backup, but that only has one folder, with one album in it...

Hi Adam,

The app should only return back to the root of the UPnP browse tree on one of two occasions...

1) The snapshotted "return point" in the UPnP browse tree isn't there for the app to return to.

2) The app has been exited completely (either killed and swiped out of background apps or closed by the iPad itself and then re-run).

Could you and sjbabbey perhaps take me a video showing the issue that I can get over to the software guys to see if they can see anything that might give us some clues as to why you guys are seeing this?

Cheers

Phil

Hi Phil

I think the 'return to root' menu happened for me, as I mostly close unused apps - as in your pt 2) above.

Let me play with it again for a day or so. If I can replica the fault I will video it for you.

Cheers,

Adam

Phil Harris posted:

timster posted:

After reconnecting, I am returned to home (not the server list) view. Select the music library or top left icon and I am back to where I was. Same behaviour with ios or android. I would prefer (expect) that it returned me to the last view after reconnecting. A non-positive undocumented feature, perhaps?

Asset 5.1, naim app 5.4 (50402) , ios 10.2.1

When the app reconnects to a device then it should go to the input selection screen so that is correct ...

... the question is, why for you is the app disconnecting in the first place? Can you try setting the "Stay Connected" option in the app Settings -> Other Settings menu if you haven't already?

Phil

Hi Phil,

I tried the "Stay connected" option as you asked, but no change in behaviour when switching back to the app (ios or android.) 

-tim

timster posted:

Hi Phil,

I tried the "Stay connected" option as you asked, but no change in behaviour when switching back to the app (ios or android.) 

-tim

 

Hi Tim,

Can you drop me an email directly and then we can try to work through why you're getting returned back to the root...

Cheers

Phil