What is the difference between unitserve and uniticore ?

That's more like it! 

David Hendon posted:

Christine posted:

The Core is also a streamer...

I think strictly it is renderer not a streamer.  It can't make use of upnp files served by another server.

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David

Precisely.  Unless we just want to start making up vocabulary, the Core is NOT a "streamer."  

Indeed.....but it does stream music files from my NAS to my digital amplifier.

Christine posted:

Indeed.....but it does stream music files from my NAS to my digital amplifier.

.......it not so much streams them as render them from a music share, as a hard disc player does do?......

Anyway, whatevs. As long as it does what you want (allowing for the firmware issues that will get solved)

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David

OK, understood, thank you.

I think some members have a few mixed up points regarding some differences between Unitiserve and Core.

Both devices can rip a CD directly to a NAS or their own internal HDD if installed and both take exactly the same amount of time to do this.

Chag... posted:

Keler Pierre posted:

the core, as the unitserve, are primarily rippers and servers. As players, with a dac in spdif, they are not as good as servers. In the naim statement demo, they are used as servers ( like nas) with nds( in unpp mode).

I have done the comparison myself, but you can read the articles of art dudley, martin colloms and ken kessler( stereophile/hifi critic/ hifi news).

Martin Colloms said to me in an mail that they will make a comparison between unitserve and core in a next hifi critic magazine.

Martin colloms have tried several servers with his nds and naim amps: innuos zenith, melco and cad. But for prat he preferred the unitserve.

I wanted to share with you this informations. 

Great information indeed Pierre. Thanks. Looking forward to reading Martin on UC against US. As exciting as PSG against FCB tonight.

Chag -

thanks chag, we must be patient to have our verdict. It was simplier with cd5 x vs cdx2 vs cds3....  but now there is a lot of intereactions... but it is interesting.

Christine posted:

Indeed.....but it does stream music files from my NAS to my digital amplifier.

no christine, it is your streaming dac which streams.

Hmmm... actually the UPnP server, where there is one, streams the file to the renderer, which streams the digital audio in real time to the DAC, and the DAC doesn't stream at all, just converts to analogue.  So use of the term 'streamer' for a combined renderer and DAC (as with ND5XS, NDX and NDS) is actually a bit of a misnomer, even if it is something we have been comfortable with hitherto, and the Core can indeed stream a file to a DAC.

Innocent Bystander posted:

Hmmm... actually the UPnP server, where there is one, streams the file to the renderer, which streams the digital audio in real time to the DAC, and the DAC doesn't stream at all, just converts to analogue.  So use of the term 'streamer' for a combined renderer and DAC (as with ND5XS, NDX and NDS) is actually a bit of a misnomer, even if it is something we have been comfortable with hitherto, and the Core can indeed stream a file to a DAC.

so why the nds or ndx are named" streaming dacs"?

Keler Pierre posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

Hmmm... actually the UPnP server, where there is one, streams the file to the renderer, which streams the digital audio in real time to the DAC, and the DAC doesn't stream at all, just converts to analogue.  So use of the term 'streamer' for a combined renderer and DAC (as with ND5XS, NDX and NDS) is actually a bit of a misnomer, even if it is something we have been comfortable with hitherto, and the Core can indeed stream a file to a DAC.

so why the nds or ndx are named" streaming dacs"?

Actually, whilst they are commonly referred to as streamers, I thought Naim call them Network Players, and say that they stream music from whatever storage devices, presumably alluding to their control over the remote device streaming the file to the renderer built into the   unit. If Naim also call them streaming DACs, I guess that means the same thing: 

Innocent Bystander posted:

Keler Pierre posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

Hmmm... actually the UPnP server, where there is one, streams the file to the renderer, which streams the digital audio in real time to the DAC, and the DAC doesn't stream at all, just converts to analogue.  So use of the term 'streamer' for a combined renderer and DAC (as with ND5XS, NDX and NDS) is actually a bit of a misnomer, even if it is something we have been comfortable with hitherto, and the Core can indeed stream a file to a DAC.

so why the nds or ndx are named" streaming dacs"?

Actually, whilst they are commonly referred to as streamers, I thought Naim call them Network Players, and say that they stream music from whatever storage devices, presumably alluding to their control over the remote device streaming the file to the renderer built into the   unit. If Naim also call them streaming DACs, I guess that means the same thing: 

ok ok, you seem to know what you say Bystander. christine and i were wrong.

Not exactly! The Core (as in its renderer) indeed can stream music to an external DAC!

It's confusing because there is streaming of the original file (with transcoding for those that set up, say, a NAS to do that), and there is streaming of the rendered digital music to the DAC, and people mean different things at diferent times! My post was trying to tease out these different stages, and place in the context of the pieces of kit commonly called streamers.

And it is confused all the more when online streaming is considered, though that is not dissimilar to the View of a streamer as the device controlling a UPnP server, because it is a device controlling a remote server doing the same thing. Maybe it is better to call something that stores and renders music a player, regarding the sending of a digital stream to an external DAC as playing not streaming (as in Core, Melco, Innuos Zenith, MacMini/Audirvana etc)

Innocent Bystander posted:

Not exactly! The Core (as in its renderer) indeed can stream music to an external DAC!

It's confusing because there is streaming of the original file (with transcoding for those that set up, say, a NAS to do that), and there is streaming of the rendered digital music to the DAC, and people mean different things at diferent times! My post was trying to tease out these different stages, and place in the context of the pieces of kit commonly called streamers.

And it is confused all the more when online streaming is considered, though that is not dissimilar to the View of a streamer as the device controlling a UPnP server, because it is a device controlling a remote server doing the same thing. Maybe it is better to call something that stores and renders music a player, regarding the sending of a digital stream to an external DAC as playing not streaming (as in Core, Melco, Innuos Zenith, MacMini/Audirvana etc)

thanks for these precisions. I thought i knew, but not in fact...

This thread has with over 100 posts of course changed subject. However there are 2  differences between the s Userve and Core. The Userve has internet radio the core does not, and the Userve can be controlled from a pc, the Core cannot. It may or may not be important. And as John wrote the development of the Userve and other servers has stopped.

I would not today go out and buy a Userve simply because the development has stopped, but I like it features and have just had my old ns01 repaired. I have a backup streamer a Bluesound node, so I had music while the ns01 was away, and access to streaming services, but I really missed the control from a pc.

Claus

Christine posted:

OK, understood, thank you.

I think some members have a few mixed up points regarding some differences between Unitiserve and Core.

Both devices can rip a CD directly to a NAS or their own internal HDD if installed and both take exactly the same amount of time to do this.

I dont think the time is the same. UC (both of mine) are much much faster at ripping than my HDX

Claus-Thoegersen posted:

This thread has with over 100 posts of course changed subject. However there are 2  differences between the s Userve and Core. The Userve has internet radio the core does not, and the Userve can be controlled from a pc, the Core cannot. It may or may not be important. And as John wrote the development of the Userve and other servers has stopped.

I would not today go out and buy a Userve simply because the development has stopped, but I like it features and have just had my old ns01 repaired. I have a backup streamer a Bluesound node, so I had music while the ns01 was away, and access to streaming services, but I really missed the control from a pc.

Claus

Exactly and also don't forget that metadata editing when available on the Core will only be possible via your smart device which for me personally is a deal breaker.

Christine posted:

Claus-Thoegersen posted:

This thread has with over 100 posts of course changed subject. However there are 2  differences between the s Userve and Core. The Userve has internet radio the core does not, and the Userve can be controlled from a pc, the Core cannot. It may or may not be important. And as John wrote the development of the Userve and other servers has stopped.

I would not today go out and buy a Userve simply because the development has stopped, but I like it features and have just had my old ns01 repaired. I have a backup streamer a Bluesound node, so I had music while the ns01 was away, and access to streaming services, but I really missed the control from a pc.

Claus

Exactly and also don't forget that metadata editing when available on the Core will only be possible via your smart device which for me personally is a deal breaker.

hello christine, you say editing metadata from the core is a deal breaker. What do you mean exactly?  can you change for example the names or photos of albums which are on the core?

because with downloads, on the unitserve, the name of an album is not always the good one, or the photo not of this album.... so i must go to the desktop client and change the metadata.

is the core even worse than that?

There is no metadata editing on the Core at the moment and although you can edit metadata of files in the downloads folder, you can't edit files in the MQ folder in Music Stores, that is where rips are saved. Naim doesn't allow this because they say it risks breaking the file indexing in the store.

Naim have said that they will provide meta data editing in the Core's music stores as a firmware upgrade at the end of March.

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David

David Hendon posted:

There is no metadata editing on the Core at the moment and although you can edit metadata of files in the downloads folder, you can't edit files in the MQ folder in Music Stores, that is where rips are saved. Naim doesn't allow this because they say it risks breaking the file indexing in the store.

Naim have said that they will provide meta data editing in the Core's music stores as a firmware upgrade at the end of March.

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David

For my understanding, how so they prevent editing of these files. If I connect to the music store drive from a computer can not i see the music files and hence edit the metadata. If I cannot  see the files, how would I transfer them off the music store if I wanted to copy them somewhere else.

Peter Lambert posted:

David Hendon posted:

There is no metadata editing on the Core at the moment and although you can edit metadata of files in the downloads folder, you can't edit files in the MQ folder in Music Stores, that is where rips are saved. Naim doesn't allow this because they say it risks breaking the file indexing in the store.

Naim have said that they will provide meta data editing in the Core's music stores as a firmware upgrade at the end of March.

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David

.. If I connect to the music store drive from a computer can not i see the music files and hence edit the metadata. ...

Being able to see (read) a file does not necessarily imply that you are able to modify it. File permissions can be very fine grained and give different "exec", "read" and "write" rights to different users.

David Hendon posted:

There is no metadata editing on the Core at the moment and although you can edit metadata of files in the downloads folder, you can't edit files in the MQ folder in Music Stores, that is where rips are saved. Naim doesn't allow this because they say it risks breaking the file indexing in the store.

Naim have said that they will provide meta data editing in the Core's music stores as a firmware upgrade at the end of March.

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David

thanks. Sometimes i regret my plug and play cdx2/xps2. waw, flac, server, streamer, metadata, renderer, downloads....what a zoo!

nbpf posted:

Peter Lambert posted:

David Hendon posted:

There is no metadata editing on the Core at the moment and although you can edit metadata of files in the downloads folder, you can't edit files in the MQ folder in Music Stores, that is where rips are saved. Naim doesn't allow this because they say it risks breaking the file indexing in the store.

Naim have said that they will provide meta data editing in the Core's music stores as a firmware upgrade at the end of March.

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David

.. If I connect to the music store drive from a computer can not i see the music files and hence edit the metadata. ...

Being able to see (read) a file does not necessarily imply that you are able to modify it. File permissions can be very fine grained and give different "exec", "read" and "write" rights to different users.

Ah yes of course i was thinking the files were encrypted or something, is the same way they protect the US ?

Yes it's the same as the Unitiserve. There was a discussion about how to get round this in a thread, maybe this thread, a few weeks back but Naim took the view that this amounted to modifying how the product worked and ruled it outlawed to discuss in the Forum as doing so broke Forum rules.

So I think we just have to wait for the metadata editing to become available.

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David

Keler Pierre posted:

David Hendon posted:

There is no metadata editing on the Core at the moment and although you can edit metadata of files in the downloads folder, you can't edit files in the MQ folder in Music Stores, that is where rips are saved. Naim doesn't allow this because they say it risks breaking the file indexing in the store.

Naim have said that they will provide meta data editing in the Core's music stores as a firmware upgrade at the end of March.

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David

thanks. Sometimes i regret my plug and play cdx2/xps2. waw, flac, server, streamer, metadata, renderer, downloads....what a zoo!

The nightmare, twonky world of the laughably named PnP streaming scares the hell out of me.