Electrical Spur & Network Switch & CAT5/6 Questions

Posted by: HuwJ on 12 March 2017

Hi,

I'm just buying a new house and have the choice to install a separate spur for my hi-fi. I'm having three double sockets installed off the spur and they will be next to each other. I want to run my hi-fi, TV and AV amp from those sockets. Is that a good idea? Would it be better to run the hi-fi only off those sockets and then have a different socket for Sky, AV Amp, TV and Amazon Fire?

I am also going to run networking. The fibre comes in to the house at the front door and I'm intending to run one wire to the hi-fi rack and one to my study. My thought was to have a switch in the study for the kit I have in there then one wire from that switch running to my hi-fi. At the hi-fi I was going to put a 2nd switch.  Is that technically possible? Should I run Cat 5 or Cat 6 and does it have any impact or can the same switch, NAS etc run from either type? I will run from either a Sky hub or from BT hub.

Any other things I should consider before the plasterboard is put on the walls?

I'm also going to run speaker wire to my rear speakers and I will need about 25 meters for each to get across the room, have some slack for speaker placement etc. I don't generally find I need the same fidelity from the rears (though they are good speakers) so I want to minimise the cost of the cable. Any suggestions as to what to use, for instance, would some QED Classic 79 Strand Speaker Cable do the trick - it's as cheap as chips on Amazon....

Last question and not much to do with hi-fi. What is the name of the product that allows you to use your mobile on your home network when you have no signal where you live?

These are probably general questions but I run all my music via my NDX so hopefully having them here will throw up any streaming related thoughts.

Thanks in anticipation.

Huw

Posted on: 13 March 2017 by Simon-in-Suffolk

As far as the network accesses, I recommend you have, if you can, plastic trunking installed such that you can pull through multiple network cables or fibres as appropriate in the future. For now run two or three Cat5e cables in parallel between the switches.. this will allow in the near future to run higher performance and fault tolerant Etherchannel or equivalent between switches... albeit your switches will need to support this.. so even if for now you have cheap switches that don't, having the cables there makes upgrading easier when ready.

 

Posted on: 13 March 2017 by HuwJ

Thank you for your thoughts Simon.

For those who are unaware the product you use for making mobile calls is WiFi Calling and at the moment EE & Vodafone provide the service. It uses WiFi where there is poor or no mobile signal. The charge comes off your mobile package and doe not use very much bandwidth.

Regards

Huw

 

Posted on: 14 March 2017 by Mr Happy

As far as the mains goes its better to have the hifi on its own dedicated radial circuit, and even better to have multiple radials (one for each piece of kit) from a dedicated consumer unit.

Posted on: 14 March 2017 by Simon Frequency

Hi Huw,

This was intended as a short reply, it has got rather long - I hope it helps to frame your thoughts. I am no electrical or network engineer so you must take advice from the experts and ensure that the electrical installation is tested and certificated before use.

Installing the ducts, cable and wall boxes is very low cost at the construction stage, so best to buy wisely built in redundancy / spare capacity and do it only once - that is until you move house again!

Power: I agree with Mr Happy response, keep the hifi separate. Get the best quality electricity up to your power sockets. Your electrician is going to think that you a bit crazy and will advise you that this all seams a bit OTT/unnecessary, and that he/she has never had a problem of interference before....however, it is your ears that will know the difference and the costs are small compared to the value of the Naim system you will be installing (and then adding Naim Power-Line) . If you have space install a separate Consumer unit (dedicated for only hi-fi), with it's own tails to the electricity supply. You can install a dedicated circuit for the hi-fi using 2.5mm (normal mains cable) or you might choose to increase the cable size to 6mm or 10mm (I have no experience of running a bigger cable for sound quality), although I am aware of some installations that have followed this approach, to ensure the least degradation of the electricity supply to your hi-fi.

Number of sockets: 25% spares is always a good place to start, so much easier to install a spare 2-gang socket now - just in case.

Network: There are currently three flavours of cable, Cat 5, Cat 6 and Cat 7. Cat 7 is the latest and I believe is good for 1GBit/Sec (1000MBits/Sec). I agree with Simon-In-Suffolk, place them in ducts, install a spare, always leave some slack so you can re-terminate them. I try to run a single cable directly from my BT/Sky hub to the hi-fi / tv area and then install a '8-Port Gigabit Ethernet Unmanaged Switch' at the hi-fi end to enable all the kit to be connected. (remember the switch also needs a power socket!). I have had no problem with this arrangement, although you could run two cables from your BT/Sky hub to the Hi-fi/TV location and connect one directly to your music streamer and use one + switch for all the rest. This would use two ports on your Hub.

Speaker Cable: For the rears, it clearly Is personal taste, however I used QED Silver Anniversary XT Speaker Bi-Wire Cable, whilst outside the 'cheap as chips' category - you really only want to install them once!  

What else:

Socket spacing and alignment: - it is worth thinking about this - all in a row needs a lot of wall space, all in a column means the cables from the top sockets hang down over the lower sockets, I went for an offset approach in 3 rows with lots of vertical space - rather then trying to get the sockets as close as possible.

Location of power & network sockets, Cat6 sockets - worth thinking about, temptation is to place them behind the hi-fi rack so that they are out of sight - makes isolating and unplugging a real challenge, find a location where there is easy access, without being coming too much of a feature of the room.

Sub placement - cable and power - does the AV system need one and where will it go, does it need power?

How many rear speakers 5.1 or 7.1 or more? What about ceiling speakers? - better to install cable now and leave them coiled up, even if never used. Keep good records and measurements!

What are you doing about cables to the TV, HDMI, Sat cables, TV/FM cables? If you are looking for a wall mounted TV, have you considered large ducting to ensure all the HDMI/power/etc. cables are concealed? Including future proofing when you change the TV and it needs more cables.

Use of Grid Modules for neat installation of cable termination on wall, I am sure you will have seen these modules, they are inserted into a 2-gang or 1-gang wall box and can be built up to cover every combination, Cat 6, Tel, Sat, TV/FM, Speakers, HDMI, etc. They have a brush option that allows you to have the cable coming through them - far neater than coming out between the carpet/skirting. - Have a search on the internet for the options, there are lots of suppliers. 

I have just run cables to the rear speakers under the floor and installed wall boxes with Grid Modules, whilst only using 5.1, I installed bi-wire cable to each wall box so I have the option of 7.1 in the future. For the rears - each wall box has 4 - banana sockets. +/- for Rears and +/- for Surround. At the amp end I purchased the wires terminated with plugs to minimise the number of joins and these appear out of a wall box with the brush cover. As suggested by Simon-in-Suffolk, all my cables are in ducts to that they can be replaced in the future.

PS: If using the Grid Modules, make sure you install the deepest wall box you can - it makes terminating the cables much easier, 35mm or 47mm depth if possible. 25mm is a disaster waiting to happen.

PPS: buy a labeling machine, label and photograph everything (with a tape measure in the photos), it makes things so much easier in the future when you come to upgrade to make a change!