Snaic wrong direction

Posted by: davidf on 01 April 2017

last week had to shut down system due to flash remote problem and had to disassemble system in order to check out failed logo light on one of my 135 amps. I reconnected system and all was well. However over past week I thought maybe system wasn't quite sounding as good as I had remembered. Discovered that the 5 pin snaic connecting 52 to supercap was connected wrong way with band on snaic at 52. So I shut down system and reconnected snaic with band at supercap.  Since doing this my system is sounding better- more musical and more coherent.

question: real or placebo effect? Can inserting snaic wrong way affect the sound quality?

david

Posted on: 01 April 2017 by Darke Bear

According to some the whole HiFi system differences are 'placebo' or 'self-deception'.

But when I had a 552 and did the same as you I could hear the cable sounded different the other way around. I was not sure at first it was better, but it was definitely different and a bit coarser the 'wrong' way.

DB.

Posted on: 01 April 2017 by ChrisSU

I sometimes wonder if unplugging a cable and plugging it back in has removed some corrosion or other crud from the plug/socket, so that the improvement you hear might be due to the improved connection rather than any different cable arrangements. 

Posted on: 01 April 2017 by davidf

Fair point Chris - however the connections were all redone a week ago and system not sounding right all week. 

Posted on: 01 April 2017 by yeti42

The band should be at the preamp end if it's the supercap powering the 52, assuming it's the same as for the 252, not if it's another supercap powering a phonostage though.

Posted on: 01 April 2017 by davidf
yeti42 posted:

The band should be at the preamp end if it's the supercap powering the 52, assuming it's the same as for the 252, not if it's another supercap powering a phonostage though.

Oops !

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Posted on: 01 April 2017 by hungryhalibut

So should the band on the burndy. The bands go where the signal starts, i.e. from 52 to Supercap and then on to the 135s. 

Posted on: 01 April 2017 by sheffieldgraham
yeti42 posted:

The band should be at the preamp end if it's the supercap powering the 52, assuming it's the same as for the 252, not if it's another supercap powering a phonostage though.

I concur. I was beginning to doubt myself when I read Davids post. To refresh my memory a quick check on my 552  head unit (green band)  and 552PSU confirmed your reply. Band is always nearest the source end. Think of how the signal travels towards the speakers.

Posted on: 01 April 2017 by sheffieldgraham
badlands posted:

How patronising these "experts" are! 

Posted on: 01 April 2017 by HiFiman

Major damage to the snaic it will have to go back to Naim and placed on their cable shaker for several weeks.

Posted on: 01 April 2017 by Chris Dolan

There is a sort of exception with the 300PS as the band on the burndies goes at the NAP300 end not the PS. I appreciate this is power not signal but it surprised me - although I struggled to locate the band initially  

Posted on: 01 April 2017 by Richard archbold

So where would the band on the burndy sit in a cds3/xps2 

Posted on: 01 April 2017 by Christopher_M

The CDS3 end, Richard.

Chris

Posted on: 01 April 2017 by joerand

I remember reading here that directionality of a cable is based on the manufacturing process and when a cable is used in the "wrong" direction it will eventually render itself properly to that condition. The notion being that once you've installed a cable backward continue to use it that way. Reversing it will involve a period of reconditioning the cable to the "proper" direction - the electrons may be bumping heads for a while. Then again, electrons don't really flow in electrical current, they simple nudge the one next to them. Proper directionality might make it easier for the electrons to give their neighbor a nudge.

Posted on: 01 April 2017 by Robiwan
ChrisSU posted:

I sometimes wonder if unplugging a cable and plugging it back in has removed some corrosion or other crud from the plug/socket, so that the improvement you hear might be due to the improved connection rather than any different cable arrangements. 

corrosion and crud? Maybe after 30 years this has some effect. 

Posted on: 02 April 2017 by Richard Dane
Chris Dolan posted:

There is a sort of exception with the 300PS as the band on the burndies goes at the NAP300 end not the PS. I appreciate this is power not signal but it surprised me - although I struggled to locate the band initially  

Chris, that makes sense - the banded end always goes closest to the music source or source of signal.

Posted on: 02 April 2017 by Chris Dolan
Richard Dane posted:

Chris, that makes sense - the banded end always goes closest to the music source or source of signal.

Richard, I accept that there is a logic , which is why I said "sort of", and the direction anticipated is made very clear in the manual.  I still feel that some will, like me, have an initial expectation that the power could be perceived as the source.