Uniti2 keeps loosing connection and naim app keeps restarting

Red Rooster posted:

Yes this is the real issue. Is it wireless or not?  Everyone with a problem with a Mu-So etc can't have a rubbish wireless network.

Yep - One of my colleagues recently asked for some advice on a simple multi room system. They gave me a rather bemused look when i explained the Wireless Muso's they were interested in may only work properly when wired to a network. They're very happy with a Sonos system which just worked nicely out of the box. 

Adam Zielinski posted:

Zui posted:

Static

If I may recommend chnging it all to DHCP and power-cycling all the equipment, especially the network parts.'Start them up: network first, wait few minutes and start switching the rest on.

DHCP is generally a safer bet for stable home networking.

Hi Adam,

Thanks for that. I run my Netgear router DHCP with reserved addresses. I monitor my network with devolo software and Fing software as well as Speedchecker and Speedtest software for internet performance. My wireless network is stable with good performance.

I get 5mbs internet download , 35ms ping, 200mbs minimum from my develo connected equipment . They are the latest 650 devices and are fantastic. Not a single issue in the last 4 years with my Linn kit connected to them.

I will try other monitor devices as you suggest. 

Kind Regards

RR

james n posted:

Red Rooster posted:

Yes this is the real issue. Is it wireless or not?  Everyone with a problem with a Mu-So etc can't have a rubbish wireless network.

Yep - One of my colleagues recently asked for some advice on a simple multi room system. They gave me a rather bemused look when i explained the Wireless Muso's they were interested in may only work properly when wired to a network. They're very happy with a Sonos system which just worked nicely out of the box. 

hi James,

Strange that, I have had to advise my friends the same. They have heard the Mu-So and liked the sound etc but cannot hard wire. I couldn't support a recommendation to them so they bought Sonos, which as you say works out of the box.

If Naim want to sell "Lifestyle products" like the Mu-So and in shops like John Lewis, then they must work like lifestyle products, not Hi-Fi/Computor network products where hard wiring is the recommended option. dread to think how the John Lewis staff explain "networking", DHCP, non use of static address etc to potential customers.

I'm going to quit posting now as I am coming across as anti-Naim, which i am most definitely not.

Kind Regards

RR 

Red Rooster posted:

james n posted:

Red Rooster posted:

Yes this is the real issue. Is it wireless or not?  Everyone with a problem with a Mu-So etc can't have a rubbish wireless network.

Yep - One of my colleagues recently asked for some advice on a simple multi room system. They gave me a rather bemused look when i explained the Wireless Muso's they were interested in may only work properly when wired to a network. They're very happy with a Sonos system which just worked nicely out of the box. 

hi James,

Strange that, I have had to advise my friends the same. They have heard the Mu-So and liked the sound etc but cannot hard wire. I couldn't support a recommendation to them so they bought Sonos, which as you say works out of the box.

If Naim want to sell "Lifestyle products" like the Mu-So and in shops like John Lewis, then they must work like lifestyle products, not Hi-Fi/Computor network products where hard wiring is the recommended option. dread to think how the John Lewis staff explain "networking", DHCP, non use of static address etc to potential customers.

I'm going to quit posting now as I am coming across as anti-Naim, which i am most definitely not.

Kind Regards

 

RR 

Hi RR - It's not Anti-Naim at all. It's just what Joe Public would expect when buying this sort of product. Higher up the range, then yes i'd expect a bit more care needs to be taken to get the best results but the more 'lifestyle' orientated products should just be expected to work with minimal effort. If it doesn't then customers will go elsewhere and that would be a great shame as this may be the first exposure to the Naim brand and you'd want it to be good.  

James

Ok, gentlemen, i gues the result is this. Naim doesnt recognise a problem with streaming music over wifi networks. We can endlessly play "blame the network" game but its true other manufacturers products at the same place works just fine. Looks like we are not getting any support on this issue. Too bad.  

Moderated Post: Zui, you may be feeling frustrated (in which case I urge you to keep trying to work with your supplying dealer and Naim support here - they really do try very hard to solve customer tech problems) but please respect forum rules. Thank you.

Fair enough - I presume you've tried all the solutions advised. It is very easy to blame a manufacturer and project ones frustration. But it is your perogative.

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Adam Zielinski posted:

Please note - this forum does not permit 'for sale or wanted adds'.

Flag it Adam. I'm guessing there won't be many readers of this thread that will be interested anyhow.

joerand posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

An interesting discussion here.

Interesting, I agree as I read Red Rooster's related post.

The first line of Naim's product page for the Muso states "Mu-so^® is our first wireless music system." Further down the Muso page states "Our dedicated team of software engineers designed it to be so easy to use you’ll be listening to and discovering more music than ever before. " The Muso product specification for Networks reads "Ethernet (10/100Mbps), Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) 2.4GHz" Other than that requirement, I found no caveat emptor on the page stating that the buyer may, in fact, not be able to satisfactorily use the wifi (UPnP). That said, I realize home networks are variably complex and ISP services may not at all times deliver stated upload rates.

Then there's the "just run a wire response". Why have to? The Muso and Uniti2 are convenience and lifestyle devices with a wifi option included. I'd suspect the very reason one doesn't "run a wire" is for the very fact that it is not convenient and they want to utilize the wifi aspect.

When I had the Uniti2 on home demo years ago my wife and I both loved it. Internet radio was a lot of fun. Due to the construction of my house it would have been very difficult/costly to run a wired connection to my listening room. We accepted the SQ compromise of the wifi connection, but couldn't live with the drop outs despite meeting the stated requirements.

I don't doubt other manufacturers meet the same pitfalls with their wifi devices, just suggesting Naim shouldn't advertise it as being so seamless. As well, I don't find the "just run a wire" response constructive to a user intent on wifi connectivity. In the case of a Muso, it's likely the user may want to pick up the unit and use it a various locations about the house. Out on the deck on a warm summer evening as one example.

Hi Joerand,

The response to "run a wire" here is actually within the context of identifying where the issue lies - we have over 100,000 streamers out there in use between Mu-so, Mu-so Qb, ND and Uniti series products and on the whole most people do have no issues. However given that as the manufacturer we tend to see a much different overview of the issues that people do experience then we can use that experience to guide us when trying to identify the cause of issues so the first thing that we would ask someone to try is to hard wire the unit to the customers router as a test - this then either rules out external 'internet' problems or confirms them.

Ultimately WiFi and Ethernet over Mains technologies are completely at the mercy of their local environment - myself, I live in a small, one bedroom annex in the New Forest and according to the manufacturers information on the boxes of any consumer level router that I pick up at my local PC World it should be possible for me to cover the entire area of that with a run-of-the-mill consumer WiFi router but in reality I can place my laptop in my bedroom - only two feet away from a router placed in my living room - and get a signal but no useable throughput due to the construction of the internal walls ... and it is the same between the living room and kitchen too ... so to cover a property that is no more than about 36 square metres I end up using three Ubiquiti wireless access points at £170 each (one in each room hard wired back to the main network) and a separate Ubiquiti router and I have a seamless and reliable WiFi network but it has taken some background effort to get to that point. WiFi can be made reliable but it isn't always possible to do it with consumer grade kit (and putting in boosters or repeaters is - at the very best - a cludge of a solution and not a proper fix).

Ultimately any network based product will be dependent upon the infrastructure it is connected to.

Best

Phil 

A network professional would have tools like Chanalyser from Metageeks. Show us the spectrum analysis of your wifi at the location of the Uniti2 please

At work we dont do Chanalyzer but i will give it a try. Just to remind you that other wifi infrastructure (like smart tv, netflix, movies from UPnP (BD quality not less than 15GB smtms up to 35GB)) are running just fine. Never ever any dropouts.

Will report to you with the data after the Easter if thats not too late.

Phil Harris posted:

joerand posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

An interesting discussion here.

Interesting, I agree as I read Red Rooster's related post.

The first line of Naim's product page for the Muso states "Mu-so^® is our first wireless music system." Further down the Muso page states "Our dedicated team of software engineers designed it to be so easy to use you’ll be listening to and discovering more music than ever before. " The Muso product specification for Networks reads "Ethernet (10/100Mbps), Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) 2.4GHz" Other than that requirement, I found no caveat emptor on the page stating that the buyer may, in fact, not be able to satisfactorily use the wifi (UPnP). That said, I realize home networks are variably complex and ISP services may not at all times deliver stated upload rates.

Then there's the "just run a wire response". Why have to? The Muso and Uniti2 are convenience and lifestyle devices with a wifi option included. I'd suspect the very reason one doesn't "run a wire" is for the very fact that it is not convenient and they want to utilize the wifi aspect.

When I had the Uniti2 on home demo years ago my wife and I both loved it. Internet radio was a lot of fun. Due to the construction of my house it would have been very difficult/costly to run a wired connection to my listening room. We accepted the SQ compromise of the wifi connection, but couldn't live with the drop outs despite meeting the stated requirements.

I don't doubt other manufacturers meet the same pitfalls with their wifi devices, just suggesting Naim shouldn't advertise it as being so seamless. As well, I don't find the "just run a wire" response constructive to a user intent on wifi connectivity. In the case of a Muso, it's likely the user may want to pick up the unit and use it a various locations about the house. Out on the deck on a warm summer evening as one example.

Hi Joerand,

The response to "run a wire" here is actually within the context of identifying where the issue lies - we have over 100,000 streamers out there in use between Mu-so, Mu-so Qb, ND and Uniti series products and on the whole most people do have no issues. However given that as the manufacturer we tend to see a much different overview of the issues that people do experience then we can use that experience to guide us when trying to identify the cause of issues so the first thing that we would ask someone to try is to hard wire the unit to the customers router as a test - this then either rules out external 'internet' problems or confirms them.

Ultimately WiFi and Ethernet over Mains technologies are completely at the mercy of their local environment - myself, I live in a small, one bedroom annex in the New Forest and according to the manufacturers information on the boxes of any consumer level router that I pick up at my local PC World it should be possible for me to cover the entire area of that with a run-of-the-mill consumer WiFi router but in reality I can place my laptop in my bedroom - only two feet away from a router placed in my living room - and get a signal but no useable throughput due to the construction of the internal walls ... and it is the same between the living room and kitchen too ... so to cover a property that is no more than about 36 square metres I end up using three Ubiquiti wireless access points at £170 each (one in each room hard wired back to the main network) and a separate Ubiquiti router and I have a seamless and reliable WiFi network but it has taken some background effort to get to that point. WiFi can be made reliable but it isn't always possible to do it with consumer grade kit (and putting in boosters or repeaters is - at the very best - a cludge of a solution and not a proper fix).

Ultimately any network based product will be dependent upon the infrastructure it is connected to.

Best

Phil 

Hi Phil,

Good points well made and interesting to here your problems too. However are you slightly missing the issue IMHO. Naim may have as many streamers as you indicate out there. How many of them are hard wired NDX etc and how many are sold as lifestyle products (Mu-So's ) which are intended to be used wirelessly?

My questions still remain. How come other products in my house (Linn, Roberts, Apple, Sonos, Sony, Skybox have no issues whatsoever with either properly installed devolos or my W-fi network? I feel I will not get an answer to this.

As suggested I have hard wired my Mu-So to the router upstairs in the bedroom. It has as you would expect ran ok on Radio 2HD for two days and nights. First process of elimination as you say.

My wife says, well so what? We will never use it there and I want it to work wirelessly. I am now about to unplug it and run it about 3 feet from the router (still in the bedroom).

Next step will be back in the kitchen, where if it goes belly up again SWMBO will push for me to sell it.

Such is life

Regards

RR

jon honeyball posted:

A network professional would have tools like Chanalyser from Metageeks. Show us the spectrum analysis of your wifi at the location of the Uniti2 please

Hi Jon,

Is there a simple software tool to help understanding wi-fi performance. For myself, I wasn't expecting to undertake a spectral analysis of a "lifestyle product" to get it to work properly. Can we go by the band indicators on phones/laptops/ipads as any indication of strength? I was also going by the fact that I am able to run a Roberts iStream radio on BBC RAdio2HD continually in any location in the house I put it and the fact that I use BBCiplayer, ITV Hub and Sky Go all the time in my house with my wi-fi set up with no issues.

Show the Mu-So my wi-fi and it turns its nose up to playing BBC Radio 2HD reliably.

Kind Regards

RR

Red Rooster posted:

Hi Phil,

Good points well made and interesting to here your problems too. However are you slightly missing the issue IMHO. Naim may have as many streamers as you indicate out there. How many of them are hard wired NDX etc and how many are sold as lifestyle products (Mu-So's ) which are intended to be used wirelessly?

I believe that currently we have around 70 - 75,000 Mu-so and Mu-so QB in use (I would expect that the majority of those are used wirelessly), the rest would be Uniti products (of which I would personally expect a 50:50 split there between wired and wireless) and ND / NAC-N products (which I would expect would mostly be hard wired).

Red Rooster posted:

My questions still remain. How come other products in my house (Linn, Roberts, Apple, Sonos, Sony, Skybox have no issues whatsoever with either properly installed devolos or my W-fi network? I feel I will not get an answer to this.

What do you consider a "properly installed Devolo"?

You are correct - you will not get a definitive answer to this without performing some network analysis, ideally with packet sniffing tools (such as WireShark) and network hardware able to support port sniffing so as to be able to identify and map flow of data around your network.

As most customers do not have access to such tools then a more accessible form of diagnosis is to start by isolating sections of network as I have started to do with you - given that your Mu-so seems to work correctly when hard wired to your router but not when connected via your Devolos then it may also be a valid question to ask the manufacturers of the Devolos?

Red Rooster posted:

As suggested I have hard wired my Mu-So to the router upstairs in the bedroom. It has as you would expect ran ok on Radio 2HD for two days and nights. First process of elimination as you say.

Absolutely - and in that case it would be logical to deduce that the issue is being caused within your own network rather than by excessive external latency that the Mu-so is unable to buffer over, my next suggestion would be to leave you Mu-so by your router but now connect your Mu-so to your router by WiFi and confirm that you can still run BBC Radio 2 HD over WiFi from your router to the Mu-so. 

Have Linn actually added HLS support to their streamers yet? The last I heard they still hadn't done so so it could be that you are accessing one of the lower bitrate services. Can you send me a screenshot (to support@naimaudio.com) of the station info page from the Linn control app to confirm which 'version' of BBC R2 you are listening to on your Linn?

I did ask if you had the same issue if you chose a lower bitrate version of BBC R2 but perhaps I missed your reply on that as it seems that this has hijacked someone elses thread...?

Red Rooster posted:

My wife says, well so what? We will never use it there and I want it to work wirelessly. I am now about to unplug it and run it about 3 feet from the router (still in the bedroom).

This is the logical next step, yes.

Red Rooster posted:

Next step will be back in the kitchen, where if it goes belly up again SWMBO will push for me to sell it.

Such is life

Regards

RR

When you say that the unit is in your kitchen but is being run from the same Devolo that your KDS is running from then are you connecting the Mu-so wired or wirelessly to the Devolo (i.e. it is a combined Ethernet Over Mains unit *AND* wireless access point?) - so far I have been assuming that you have the Mu-so wired to the Devolo as the KDS has no WiFi capability and you've been stating that the KDS works and the Mu-so doesn't so I've presumed that you are testing under the same conditions.

Best 

Phil Harris

Phil Harris posted:

Red Rooster posted:

Hi Phil,

Good points well made and interesting to here your problems too. However are you slightly missing the issue IMHO. Naim may have as many streamers as you indicate out there. How many of them are hard wired NDX etc and how many are sold as lifestyle products (Mu-So's ) which are intended to be used wirelessly?

I believe that currently we have around 70 - 75,000 Mu-so and Mu-so QB in use (I would expect that the majority of those are used wirelessly), the rest would be Uniti products (of which I would personally expect a 50:50 split there between wired and wireless) and ND / NAC-N products (which I would expect would mostly be hard wired).

Red Rooster posted:

My questions still remain. How come other products in my house (Linn, Roberts, Apple, Sonos, Sony, Skybox have no issues whatsoever with either properly installed devolos or my W-fi network? I feel I will not get an answer to this.

What do you consider a "properly installed Devolo"?

You are correct - you will not get a definitive answer to this without performing some network analysis, ideally with packet sniffing tools (such as WireShark) and network hardware able to support port sniffing so as to be able to identify and map flow of data around your network.

As most customers do not have access to such tools then a more accessible form of diagnosis is to start by isolating sections of network as I have started to do with you - given that your Mu-so seems to work correctly when hard wired to your router but not when connected via your Devolos then it may also be a valid question to ask the manufacturers of the Devolos?

Red Rooster posted:

As suggested I have hard wired my Mu-So to the router upstairs in the bedroom. It has as you would expect ran ok on Radio 2HD for two days and nights. First process of elimination as you say.

Absolutely - and in that case it would be logical to deduce that the issue is being caused within your own network rather than by excessive external latency that the Mu-so is unable to buffer over, my next suggestion would be to leave you Mu-so by your router but now connect your Mu-so to your router by WiFi and confirm that you can still run BBC Radio 2 HD over WiFi from your router to the Mu-so. 

Have Linn actually added HLS support to their streamers yet? The last I heard they still hadn't done so so it could be that you are accessing one of the lower bitrate services. Can you send me a screenshot (to support@naimaudio.com) of the station info page from the Linn control app to confirm which 'version' of BBC R2 you are listening to on your Linn?

I did ask if you had the same issue if you chose a lower bitrate version of BBC R2 but perhaps I missed your reply on that as it seems that this has hijacked someone elses thread...?

Red Rooster posted:

My wife says, well so what? We will never use it there and I want it to work wirelessly. I am now about to unplug it and run it about 3 feet from the router (still in the bedroom).

This is the logical next step, yes.

Red Rooster posted:

Next step will be back in the kitchen, where if it goes belly up again SWMBO will push for me to sell it.

Such is life

Regards

RR

When you say that the unit is in your kitchen but is being run from the same Devolo that your KDS is running from then are you connecting the Mu-so wired or wirelessly to the Devolo (i.e. it is a combined Ethernet Over Mains unit *AND* wireless access point?) - so far I have been assuming that you have the Mu-so wired to the Devolo as the KDS has no WiFi capability and you've been stating that the KDS works and the Mu-so doesn't so I've presumed that you are testing under the same conditions.

Best 

Phil Harris

Hi Phil

Thanks for that. I have 6 devolo 650 av plus units in the house plus a devolo 500 av plus wireless network booster (not the usual passive crap type though)

No1 In the study/bedroom wall socket connected to the Netgear Gigabit router(and a NAS (Backup) via an ethernet switch)

No 2 In a lounge wall socket supplying connection to Sky Box & Sonos Soundbar

No 3  In a Kitchen wall socket supplying connection to the Mu-So.( Kitchen is just off the day room) When using this the Mu-So keeps buffering so I try it wirelessly and it still buffers.

No 4 In a day room wall socket supplying the Linn KDS.

No5  In a Master Bedroom wall socket supplying connection to the Roberts iStream radio (cuttingly running this radio wirelessly though)

No 6 In a kitchen socket connected to a NAS (Main unit)

Devolo 500 av wireless booster in a socket about 10 feet from the Mu-So.

I use BBC Radio 2 HD on the Linn KDS as I stated previously (320kbs) the same as the Mu-S0. Also use Radio Paradise in 320kps when comparing too. In the past the lower bitrate BBC Radio 2 buffers on the Mu-So , but for completeness I will now try again.

I monitor the performance of the devolos with devolo cockpit software which allows me to check bitrate connections. It is generally 150+Mbs on the Mu-So devolo and about 250Mbs on the KDS (back to the netgear router devolo). More than adequate for streaming radio.

One NAS sits in a cupboard below the Mu-So on its own devolo talking to the Mu-So above. Stream 192/24 bit files to the Mu-So from this with no issues at all (and same to the Linn DS)

Hope this helps

Regards

RR

First - many thanks to Phil Harris to going well beyond what's expected of him to answer the OPs post and try and help him. 

I have a Muso and it runs wirelessly in the bedroom. When I first got it, I did get some dropouts as my router was at the other end of my large apt. Also my iPad would also lose connection in the bedroom  

I then got a wifi extender (about £30) and it creates a second network with the same name_ext. 

So now the Muso connects wirelessly with the extender and the performance has been very good!!

I listen to Radio Paradise in 320 and also stream high-res music from the US with no issues at all. Its rock solid. 

So it always depends on the strength of the network. 

On a side note - a forum member suggested i add a switch to improve my Superuniti and US performance and that was a great idea.  The naim app finds the US and SU instantly and the speed has increased!

Spectral analysis, wifi boosters, switch and so on just to make muso, qube, uniti or any other equipment just work properly. Why is it so sensitive to hyper, mega, super great wifi signal? Why others just do at the same place with the same system? 

Interesting thread as this is something close to my heart.

I have a Uniti. It is downstairs. My modem/router is in my upstairs office, connected directly by cable to two computers. So, there is no question of moving it downstairs and close to the Uniti.

For a few years, we had superb wifi radio on the Uniti with this setup; never a dropout.

Then, our service provider (which shall remain nameless, but it's run by a man with a beard) in their wisdom decided that they would change the modem/routers. We had no choice (the old one would no longer work on their internet service) but to swap out the old modem for the new (piece of junk) one.

Ever since, wifi radio has been patchy, at best.

Attempted solutions were as follows:

1. First I tried a wired connection to the Uniti using a mains powerline adapter kit, like this... http://www.pcworld.ie/Product/...-pack/313256/402.0.9 To say that it was worse than the wifi signal would be a gross understatement. I simply could not get it to perform with the Uniti. (Yet, another one works well with out TV)

2. I reverted to wifi and ordered a Naim WA5 Antenna. I've been running this for about a week now. There is an definite improvement - far fewer and far shorter dropouts. But, it's still not as good as our old modem/router with the old, original Uniti antenna.

3. I am awaiting delivery of a USB RS232 cable in order to update the Uniti's firmware from the existing Version 3.9. I'm hoping that there is something in the more recent firmware that, in conjunction with the WA5, will sort the problem.

If all this fails, then the ONLY solution for me (and, I think, anyone like me who cannot connect their Naim directly to a modem via cable) is to pony up for a gaming-quality router. Something from the likes of Linksys or ASUS. Let's face it, if it's good enough for gaming, it will be good enough for BBC Radio 4!

D.

Mine is LINKSYS EA 6400 With priority for NAIM and you know the result. 

Some forum members (including myself) completely disregard the router function of an ISP provided box and use an own router. Apple Airport family seem to be a popular choice and I noticed Naim also use them during demos. 

In my case an ISP 'gave' me a combined modem / router. WiFI function was immediately disabled. I then ran a CAT6 short patch cable from one of the LAN outputs on the modem, to my own router. I've used Apple Aiport Extreme for years. Currently sporting two of them: one as a primary router (with a TimeCapsule functionality) and anothe one as an extention. Very stable and easy to setup.

We have a Virgin Media Superhub, which is anything but. We use it as a modem with a router. We initially had a well reviewed Asus, which was pretty useless and now have an AirPort Extreme, which has been really super. As Adam says, very easy to set up, which is ideal when you are a bit dim, like me. 

Interesting replies.

Does the Airport Extreme require you to be a member of the Apple family? (I'm strictly PC - except for my iPhone)

Thanks.

D.

Adam Zielinski posted:

Some forum members (including myself) completely disregard the router function of an ISP provided box and use an own router. Apple Airport family seem to be a popular choice and I noticed Naim also use them during demos. 

In my case an ISP 'gave' me a combined modem / router. WiFI function was immediately disabled. I then ran a CAT6 short patch cable from one of the LAN outputs on the modem, to my own router. I've used Apple Aiport Extreme for years. Currently sporting two of them: one as a primary router (with a TimeCapsule functionality) and anothe one as an extention. Very stable and easy to setup.

 

Thanks again. I agree on the quality of ISP provided modem/routers. My experience of BT home hubs can't be printed here.

I've run my Mu-So wirelessly this morning with ideas from you guys.  My modem/router upstairs in the study where the phone line point is  (recently checked and rewired properly by BT by the way - a lot of internal phone wiring is total rubbish and should be checked if you want decent modem/router performance. Mine was wired incorrectly by the builder 15 years ago, not BT who merely put the line to the house.

It is a Draytec Vigor unit, really good IMHO. I run a wire from this to my Netgear N600 Gigabit Router (it's next to it). This runs my wired and wireless music network. I have now disabled the Draytec wi-fi output to stop any confusion .

My devolos run the wired element over the mains to my kit in downstairs rooms. I now have a devolo wi-fi booster unit plugged in with good "wired connection" (checked by devolo Cockpit software to be 250mbs). The devolo booster isn't the usual rubbish type. It takes the wired broadband signal over the mains and the generates a wi-fi signal at any point in the house i.e. it doesn't just boost an already week hi-fi signal.

The booster is now about 8 feet diagonally opposite the Mu-So. So eyes down to see how we go on. Fingers crossed for the weekend Radio2 HD 320kbs listening and indeed Radio Paradise 320kbs.

Heres hoping

RR

Dinarius posted:

Interesting replies.

Does the Airport Extreme require you to be a member of the Apple family? (I'm strictly PC - except for my iPhone)

Thanks.

D.

Not at all. Airport routers will handle all wi-fi connected devices.

Hungryhalibut posted:

We have a Virgin Media Superhub, which is anything but. We use it as a modem with a router. We initially had a well reviewed Asus, which was pretty useless and now have an AirPort Extreme, which has been really super. As Adam says, very easy to set up, which is ideal when you are a bit dim, like me. 

Thanks. An airport extreme will be my next port of call as we have a few Apple products.

RR

Adam Zielinski posted:

Dinarius posted:

Interesting replies.

Does the Airport Extreme require you to be a member of the Apple family? (I'm strictly PC - except for my iPhone)

Thanks.

D.

Not at all. Airport routers will handle all wi-fi connected devices.

Hhhhmmm...now I'm very interested.

So, the setup requires what? Simply connecting to my existing Virgin (cough!) modem/router?

Thanks.

D.