272 + 2549 + 300

Huge posted:

NewNaim16 posted:

Huge posted:

W2549 and W2534 also manage to preserve detail that many cables lose, without this coming at a cost of coherence.

Do you have any observations on the real world difference between W2549 and W2534 in short ≤ 1m lengths? Although not impossible, terminating two pieces of W2549 into a DIN connector won't be terribly elegant.

Yes, see this...

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...nterconnects-inc-diy

It's fairly extensive, but quite comprehensive as a result.

The alternative is to use the two cores of W2549 to carry L & R, and use the screen for the combined return (this also works well).

Oh that looks very interesting. I've gotta go and do some work in the garden now but will save this for reading this evening. Much appreciated!

I’ll have to give the W2549 a big thumb down. In my system it doesn't work.

I bought W2549 primarily to connect a pre amp to headphone amp. For this application I found it to be very good.

However, between my olive pre and pair of mono 110’s, it was a bit of a disaster. It turned my fluid and musical sounding turntable into what sounded like a very poorly setup turntable. The mid range sounded superb, I was hearing echo and reverb I hadn’t previously heard, but the bass and lower wasn’t right, coherence and musicality had vanished.

Between a mojo dac and pre also didn’t turn out well. It was the first cable I used with the mojo and to say I was disappointed with the mojo was an understatement, pretty much the same sound as described above. However, replacing the 2549 with kimber PBJ was a lot better but still not quite right, replacing the kimber with flashback improved things even further. I’m now quite happy with the mojo, although it’s obviously inferior to my turntable and the CDS2 I used to own.

Huge posted:

Mike,

I think he may have been proposing a pseudo-balanced cable where the screen is connected at the source end only, then using the 4 cores for L + 0v & R + 0v.

In that configuration, soldering the 0v* connection on the DIN is quite a challenge in such a confined space (I know, I've done it on a 180° 5 pin DIN!).

Eliminating the confined space is the answer. Only 3 pins are used in a 5 pin/180, snip off the internal part of the unused pin that is next to the ground pin.

fatcat posted:

I’ll have to give the W2549 a big thumb down. In my system it doesn't work.

I bought W2549 primarily to connect a pre amp to headphone amp. For this application I found it to be very good.

However, between my olive pre and pair of mono 110’s, it was a bit of a disaster. It turned my fluid and musical sounding turntable into what sounded like a very poorly setup turntable. The mid range sounded superb, I was hearing echo and reverb I hadn’t previously heard, but the bass and lower wasn’t right, coherence and musicality had vanished.

Between a mojo dac and pre also didn’t turn out well. It was the first cable I used with the mojo and to say I was disappointed with the mojo was an understatement, pretty much the same sound as described above. However, replacing the 2549 with kimber PBJ was a lot better but still not quite right, replacing the kimber with flashback improved things even further. I’m now quite happy with the mojo, although it’s obviously inferior to my turntable and the CDS2 I used to own.

Yes I'd be slightly concerned with it on olive kit - it's a lot more electrically sensitive than the black stuff; I'm not sure how they'll handle a capacitative load or a pseudo balanced cable on the input of the NAP110s.

However I'm surprised it didn't work well on the output of the MoJo; (but at £400, good as it is, I'm not surprised the MoJo can't stand up beside a CDS2 or one of the top line turntables, it would be astonishing if it did).

This just goes to show that there's no universal solution for all systems and all ears!

fatcat posted:

I’ll have to give the W2549 a big thumb down. In my system it doesn't work.

I bought W2549 primarily to connect a pre amp to headphone amp. For this application I found it to be very good.

However, between my olive pre and pair of mono 110’s, it was a bit of a disaster. It turned my fluid and musical sounding turntable into what sounded like a very poorly setup turntable. The mid range sounded superb, I was hearing echo and reverb I hadn’t previously heard, but the bass and lower wasn’t right, coherence and musicality had vanished.

Between a mojo dac and pre also didn’t turn out well. It was the first cable I used with the mojo and to say I was disappointed with the mojo was an understatement, pretty much the same sound as described above. However, replacing the 2549 with kimber PBJ was a lot better but still not quite right, replacing the kimber with flashback improved things even further. I’m now quite happy with the mojo, although it’s obviously inferior to my turntable and the CDS2 I used to own.

well unfortunately naim do not really supply 3.5mm Jack to DIn connection... ? 

As far as I'm concerned at 202/200 level, the Mojo is  really superb, but cables DO matter to get the best performance.

Yup, Naim make, or at least made, 3.5mm jack to DIN5 interconnects. I have a few that I use for connecting portable kit such as the Pono to my NAIT etc..  I've tried nothing thus far that has made me want to change to something else. It complements the Pono in particular really well.

fatcat posted:

 

Between a mojo dac and pre also didn’t turn out well. It was the first cable I used with the mojo and to say I was disappointed with the mojo was an understatement, pretty much the same sound as described above. However, replacing the 2549 with kimber PBJ was a lot better but still not quite right, replacing the kimber with flashback improved things even further. I’m now quite happy with the mojo, although it’s obviously inferior to my turntable and the CDS2 I used to own.

Try to get Naim to build you a 3.5mm to DIN cable, otherwise, well one from Vertere or Chord will also work quite nicely.

Hope Naim do still make 3.5mm to DIN though,  Naim interconnects are  very musical, engaging, superb really.

Huge, Tony,

Curious to know if you replicated the same cable lengths for your Mogami replacement DIN -XLR's as the original Naim stock cable ? Do you think the right cable length is critical?

kevin J Carden posted:

Huge, Tony,

Curious to know if you replicated the same cable lengths for your Mogami replacement DIN -XLR's as the original Naim stock cable ? Do you think the right cable length is critical?

Hi Kevin, good question! One of the reasons I decided to make up new DIN-XLRs was because the standard offerings are just too short to enable me to position my SNAXO in a favourable position on my Fraim. This problem is made worse with the 500s because the cable has to go round the large bulge of the rear heatsink. Undoubtedly the ability to place the SNAXO in a good place has contributed to the improvement in sound quality.

On the other hand mine are shorter so that they don't touch the floor!