have things changed that much.....?

Tellerium Q Black seems to be popular as well as the mentioned Naim cable.

Karl

Yes Chord Oydessy will prove more than an adequate substitute for NACA - some would say better - you can quite often find lengths going on a certain auction site. 

Good luck with the new system. 

Regards,

Lindsay

Another vote for TQ black. Highly impressive cable which i currently use. 

I tried Odyssey for a while and ultimately found it uninvolving. If you really don't want A5, the TQB is excellent. I wouldn't go much shorter than 3m though. 

The TQ cables are absolutely superb, the Black's have been suggested but they have just released the Black mk2.

Plus they will more then cope with any future upgrades you may have planned.

Thanks for the replies, i had forgotten how much enjoyment can be found researching new purchases, let alone the anticipation of their arrival and the installation/auditioning of the improvements they bring.

More research this evening but it looks as though a couple of lengths of TQ Black mk2 might be just the ticket, is normal forum etiquette to report the results?

ct posted:

Thanks for the replies, i had forgotten how much enjoyment can be found researching new purchases, let alone the anticipation of their arrival and the installation/auditioning of the improvements they bring.

More research this evening but it looks as though a couple of lengths of TQ Black mk2 might be just the ticket, is normal forum etiquette to report the results?

Absolutely.... 

Please do CT. 

wenger2015 posted:

ct posted:

Thanks for the replies, i had forgotten how much enjoyment can be found researching new purchases, let alone the anticipation of their arrival and the installation/auditioning of the improvements they bring.

More research this evening but it looks as though a couple of lengths of TQ Black mk2 might be just the ticket, is normal forum etiquette to report the results?

Absolutely.... 

Hi Wenger, Finkfan & CT - i am just enjoying a listening session with my brand new TQ Black II cables. After nearly going for a pair of preloved Black mk1's  that i homedemoed against naca5 and my 4 times more expensive audiovector cables, i just checked the TQ web and saw the Black II - and with the £ currency being favorable right now, i almost got the new cables for the same the seller was asking for the used mk. 1's;-) - they are (even though not run in at all) allready on par with the Black mk1, so go for it CT...

most interesting aspect of this endavour was, that system synergy goes in many directions - even though i had a very "synergized" setup with both audiovector cables and speakers (and the cables being £13-1400/set ) compared to the £350 run of black II) the combo with TQB had the upper hand.

selling off the Audiovector cables allowed me to get the Black II's and a complete set (din to xlr, sniac and IC) of which hat cables to replace the std naim ones (the WH are still in transit)

Glad to hear you're enjoying your TQ black II cables [@mention:8043449637322230]. I'm also a WH DIN to XLR owner and I found it to be a nice little improvement over the Naim  cable. 

My 3 metre pair of TQ Black II cables will be burnt in before they are despatched, unfortunately I have to wait a week or so for them to be delivered but i am looking forward to hearing the results and will feedback then.

Hi CT: are you able to explain what is done to burn in  the cables before they are sent to you?

Thanks

Captain

CT, I find myself in very similar situation to yourself, having recently acquired a Unitiqute2 after a Hi-Fi hiatus (although my CB Nait 2 kept my musical interest going) and am slowly planning a route through the myriad of options for new speakers and cables to match the UnitiQute. ATC’s (and a couple of other models) are on my ‘to audition’ list. Russell K’s currently the top choice. Although my old 90db efficient MA R252’s with their infinite baffle, up against the wall design are sounding better than ever with the modest Qute.

So I’d be very curious to read any thoughts on the experience of your system when finally set up!

Started reading this, and buy the time I got to bottom I made an oder for two 2.5m of the new TQ Black II cables.  Hopefully will get then delivered by end of the week, so I can enjoy them with my SuperUniti/LS 50 combo on my birthday this weekend...  Just a little gift to myself ;-)

Thanks for the inspiration CT.

ps. I've had the Chord Silver Screen cables for over 7 years. So this will be an interesting change.

Hi Captain

The place i have bought the cables from offer a choice of 0/24/48/72/96 hours "burn in" options free of charge when buying speaker cables. Being slightly impatient but wanting the benefits i understand this offers I went for the 48 hour option which i believe is equivalent to a couple of weeks normal use.

Perceived wisdom (and I stand to be corrected by those who have more knowledge of this than me) is that, like a new car, hifi components benefit from a period of normal use before they perform at optimum levels. there are short cuts to this and compact discs are available which are played on a cd player to produce wide bandwidth signals passed through cables to simulate periods of use and brands such as Nordost produce a piece of equipment which does a similar job without the need to produce a signal via a cd player

good evening Yetizone

I must admit that over the last couple of months I spent an awful lot of time catching up with product developments during my time off from the continual search for the next system tweak and, whilst I always intended my source and amplification would be provided by Naim the choice of speakers was a challenging but enjoyable process to go through. 

I came to a shortlist of Guru, ATC and Russell K but was unaware of the supply issues with the Guru range until the conclusion of the process leaving a very difficult decision between the ATC and Russell K 100.  We'll have to compare notes if that is the way you decide to go and I'm sure it will prove an interesting comparison.....

CT, I agree, choosing speakers is always going to be an interesting process!

I was also curious about the Guru QM10 MK2’s and the Juniors, but UK supply issues torpedoed that line of enquiry. Quite a disappointment as they are allegedly placement benign so can go close to a rear wall / corners. If ever a pair come up for sale locally then I may just snap them up to try out. 

ATC’s are now a viable possibility as a dealer in the North West has only recently taken on Naim and who already stock ATC, so I will investigate their range with either my ‘Qute or the pending Atom.

I really liked the Russell K speakers. I found them more fun that any other speaker I have tried so far, that goes for the 50 and especially the 100. The only issue is (ideally) they need space around them to avoid bass bloat, so may not work in my room. The only reason for hesitancy in buying a pair. I politely requested at the Accoustica show that it would be wonderful if Russell could design a pair of modern day boxes that work against a rear wall - you never know!

Likewise, it was always going to be a new Naim electronics box - in my case, to investigate streaming on a budget and whether it was for me. My Unitiqute and its control with the Naim app has been somewhat of a revelatory box of tricks, allowing the world of UPnP streamed music to open up - ripping discs (properly with DBPoweamp) and also access to internet radio. Its a gem of a little thing really - IMHO of course.

I look forward to reading your experience with the TQ Black II cables as they, again, are also on my list of options to replace my ancient NACA4 and add to my 'Qute.

Keep us posted

Yetizone, if finances allow I would suggest you try the  TQ Ultra Black's, the Black's are very good but the Ultra Black's a big step up again.

Oh dear, I've been informed buy my Naim dealer that I should have not ordered the TQ Black II cables any shorter than 3.5m  As a shorter length might not be compatible with Naim amplification. Looks like I'll need to return the cables as soon as I receive them.  Bit of a drag,  I don't really want to pay for the extra length just to have to coil it up and try to hide it behind furniture.

I'm not aware of their being any issues with going less then 3.5 mts,  it's the Naca5 that requires 3.5 m lengths.

Modern naim kit doesn't require 3.5mtrs of anything....put on whatever length you require.

I'm inclined to disagree with the dealer on 3.5m of TQ Black.  The need for 3.5m as a minimum requirement for speaker cable is actually based around NACA5 being 1uH per meter & it is really recommending 3.5uH per cable length.   This was the 'ideal' for the amps on the product list at the time,  Naim have not been so pushing on that in recent times, they have been remarkably silent on the subject with newer design amps including integrateds.    And finally TQ adamantly refuse to publish any specifications for their cables therefore no one actually knows what the all important inductance per metre of TQ is,  so how can anyone be specific on the minimum length.    The only thing to go on is some people have shorter than recommended TQ (?) on Naim amps & apparently are very happy.

I started using TQ with Naim about 9 years ago. I love the sound, and have upgraded within the range. I asked the question about minimum length back then and the answer back from  Tellurioum Q was "treat it like you would NACA5". Hence I stuck with nothing less than 3.5m per channel. 

More importantly, Dom's  Superuniti, as you may have seen from other threads, is not HIS. it's a loan unit pending an Atom which was delayed from Christmas delivery. From that perspective any ill effects to that loaner from the use of an incompatible cable not sanctioned by the dealer instigating the loan could prove costly. If the dealer themselves supplied the cable they would be complicit and as such liable. If the cable came from a third party and messed up the Superuniti that could be messy. 

DomTomLondon posted:

Oh dear, I've been informed buy my Naim dealer that I should have not ordered the TQ Black II cables any shorter than 3.5m  As a shorter length might not be compatible with Naim amplification. Looks like I'll need to return the cables as soon as I receive them.  Bit of a drag,  I don't really want to pay for the extra length just to have to coil it up and try to hide it behind furniture.

The shorter cables will be absolutely fine. I spoke to Geoff at TQ about this the other week and he said they have made up very short lengths for many Naim users over the years with no problems at all. In fact when I was at the Bristol show there were a few Naim setups dotted around. Most used cables about 2m long. Only in the Naim demo room were they longer. 

wenger2015 posted:

Yetizone, if finances allow I would suggest you try the  TQ Ultra Black's, the Black's are very good but the Ultra Black's a big step up again.

Thanks Wenger. In terms of funds allocated per individual item and within the context / overall balance of my modest system, I wonder if the extra expense of the Ultra Blacks would be overkill? I don’t want to start fishing for a Mullet! Although it could be an interesting experiment I suppose, just to see if a starter system would benefit from the more indulgent speaker cables!

I think funds would probably be better spent on a separate power amp to start the process of building out the system to a next gen 272 (when it breaks cover) atop said power amp - the Qute them employed elsewhere. Anyway, that’s along term idea.