CDX2 vs streaming.
Posted by: Finkfan on 15 May 2017
I have a 272 on demo and have had the chance to compare my bare CDX2 against both lossless CD rips and HIFI Tidal. The results have surprised me. Firstly I'm really surprised at the poor audio quality on tidal. I was expecting to hear beautiful lossless FLAC files flowing from the system. But the sound is a little flat. There's a loss of dynamics and everything sounds disappointingly dull. Switch to the CDX2 and music is flowing again and there's a smile on my face. Now the next comparison surprised me even more. After ripping a few discs to my laptop it was time to hear what lossless files streamed from here sounded like. It was fantastic. In fact I tried a few tracks and I couldn't hear the difference between CDX2 and streamed files. I'd didnt have time for an extended listen so I'll try it all again this evening, but i at the moment I can see why so many have fallen for the 272.
Thanks
I don't think solid state drives are essential. They are, no doubt, faster and quieter than conventional drives but they are much more expensive. Also, depending on how much music you want to store now or in the future, 1 TB may not be enough. I suspect SSDs with larger capacity are neither readily available nor cheap at present. I may be wrong. I have a 'silent' fanless QNAP nas with 2 x 3 TB conventional hard drives. I've run this for 3 years without any problems. It seems to be fast and it is not located in my listening room so is completely 'silent'.
As others have suggested, DBPoweramp and Asset seem to work very well. I would certainly recommend them.
You really don't need an SSD. I'd stop ripping to the computer, until you decide whether to stick with the 272. Wenger has my email, so feel free to get in touch and I can explain stuff in a non techy way, if you feel that might be helpful.
AndrewG posted:I don't think solid state drives are essential. They are, no doubt, faster and quieter than conventional drives but they are much more expensive. Also, depending on how much music you want to store now or in the future, 1 TB may not be enough. I suspect SSDs with larger capacity are neither readily available nor cheap at present. I may be wrong. I have a 'silent' fanless QNAP nas with 2 x 3 TB conventional hard drives. I've run this for 3 years without any problems. It seems to be fast and it is not located in my listening room so is completely 'silent'.
As others have suggested, DBPoweramp and Asset seem to work very well. I would certainly recommend them.
SSDs are much faster. quieter and run cooler. I have my nas in the same room as my system and its silent.
Thanks HH
If the 272 is only 5/6 days old you bet it's still breaking in. Big time.
In my experience it takes about 3 weeks before most of the break in process is done and things smooth out and stabalize. It's a steep process at first with sharp up & downs in SQ that gradually flattens out - and improves to - the final performance of a component.
Components and cables that handle more current & power (power amps, power cords, mainsblock, spurs etc.) tend to break in a bit quicker than the low power components like sources, pre-amps and associated cables.
Well I've just had half an hour in the office and the 272 is singing and I can hear why so many have fallen for this little black box. Even Tidal is sounding excellent today, a big difference from 24 hours ago. She's only a week old so I'm looking forward to hearing what the needy couple of weeks bring.
My finger is on the trigger!
Please, don't pull the trigger yet. I'd like to read when you have tried it for a decent time and then switch back to your original setup - the CDX2.
Not a problem. I'm away for a couple of days now. Dealer has given me a few weeks to see how I get on. He'll call me in a couple of weeks time so discuss. Before I cross my dealers palm with silver I'll compare original SN/HCDR/CDX2 to 272/250 and post my findings.
I hope to have some time over the weekend to compare my CDX2/SN/HCDR/250DR setup to the new 272/250DR. The 272 has come on a long way since it was first switched on 2 weeks ago and for a week or so now the cdp hasn't been touched. If the 272 is the winner for me I'll look at getting a Nas. I will also need a switch to accommodate the nas as my router is full. Software will be purchased and it will be full steam ahead with streaming.
Along with the SN and HCDR, the CDX2 and TQ din can be traded in which will give me a healthy amount of store credit at my dealers.
Excellent. I look forward to hearing your findings Finkfan. Enjoy...
How's that 272 sounding Finkfan?
Hopefully I'll get to have a listen this evening but it was sounding very good yesterday. I will compare it to SN and cdx2 over the coming weekend.
It's a brilliant bit of kit. Tidal is sounding much better now and the ability to stream new music, sometimes before it's available disc, is great. I still don't think I'd pay the monthly fee though. I'll give Spotify a go as they are offering their premium service for 99p for 3 months and then it's half the cost of Tidal.
I'm currently using the trial version of dbpoweramp and asset on my laptop and they're both simple to use, although I've not tried adjusting some of the incorrect metadata that comes up.
Sound wise the 272 has come on a long way and I'm now hearing more details and it sounds 'lighter' than it did at first switch on.
I've got our dealer looking into a deal on an XPSDR. I have heard this on the 272 and it made a nice difference but it was at a show and I'm sure the difference at home will be considerable.
Currently sat doing paperwork streaming Diana Krall on Tidal. Sounding brilliant and slightly distracting!
Finkfan posted:Currently sat doing paperwork streaming Diana Krall on Tidal. Sounding brilliant and slightly distracting!
I assume the 272 is staying then?
Definitely!
Finkfan posted:Definitely!
Unfortunately due to your positive experience with the 272, I find myself becoming interested in streaming ....
And I have just accepted an offer to part with my CDX2 and its power supply....
So streaming only at the Z houseold in a few weeks.
+ vinyl of course RP10 and LP12 remain
Adam Zielinski posted:And I have just accepted an offer to part with my CDX2 and its power supply....
So streaming only at the Z houseold in a few weeks.
I was thinking about having both options, keep my cdx2 and add streaming, just not sure which way to go? Which box have you decided on?
wenger2015 posted:Adam Zielinski posted:And I have just accepted an offer to part with my CDX2 and its power supply....
So streaming only at the Z houseold in a few weeks.
I was thinking about having both options, keep my cdx2 and add streaming, just not sure which way to go? Which box have you decided on?
My main system already has an NDS + 555PSDR. So I realised that I hardly used my CDX2 in the last months.
And the 2nd system (NDX and SN2 based) has an Oppo105 as a backup should I have an urge and a need to spin a disc.
So CDX2 will go and I will replace NAP250DR with NAP300DR. My dealer made me an offer that was simply too good to pass (they always do that, don't they?).
NAP250 will be used with my other system (SN2 as a pre + HiCap DR) for now....
That's dealers for you....bless them
Are you happy with your NDS?
wenger2015 posted:Are you happy with your NDS?
Yes
That could be all the answer that once would / could need.
And a slightly longer one...
I've heard many different sources (analogue and digital) and this is simply one of the best, most coherent ones. On high resolution audio I sometimes wonder which one I prefer - my LP12 with an orginal vinyl or NDS with a re-mastered high-res audio.
On CDs it was a more detailed source than my CDX2. Don't get me wrong - I enjoy my CDX2, but the reality became quite brutal - it was sitting there, gathering dust.
My CDX2 hasn't spun a disc in a couple of weeks now since I've had the 272.
Finkfan posted:My CDX2 hasn't spun a disc in a couple of weeks now since I've had the 272.
Too much information, don't want to hear anymore