Sgt Pepper 2017 Remastered CD

Posted by: sjbabbey on 25 May 2017

There seems to be a lot of net chatter about the limited dynamic range and level of compression used for this new remaster.

The DR figures I've seen are DR8 for the main album (CD1) with "Mr Kite" registering at DR6 and DR10 for the outtakes/remixes of Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane (CD2). I'm guessing that these have been posted out in the wild by early buyers. While DR figures aren't the whole story, it is disappointing that such an iconic album may not be getting the TLC it deserves with this 50th anniversary issue. On a slightly brighter note, the DR reports don't suggest that it has been brickwalled/normalised just subjected to over enthusiastic use of compression i.e. the peak levels vary within a range of  -0.41dB to -0.13dB.

Will be interesting to hear what forum members make of this when they get to hear it.

Posted on: 28 May 2017 by jatrt21

Cd1 from the deluxe 2 cd set ripped to Unitiserve no problem.

Posted on: 29 May 2017 by mike_g

Looking in vain for comments about what they actually sound like!

Posted on: 29 May 2017 by Kevin-W
mike_g posted:

Looking in vain for comments about what they actually sound like!

I've commented on what rthey sound like - to sum up, they sound excellent: vinyl better than CD, but still, no matter what the format, a big impriovement on the 1967 stereo mix, if not quite as good as the mono.

Posted on: 29 May 2017 by KRM

Kevin is spot on. They sound very good. The vinyl is definitely superior with more air and space around the vocals and better controlled bass (there's a lot of bass) and the second disc is entertaining. I haven't looked at the video content yet, but I am looking forward to Howard Goodall's program on BBC2 on Saturday.

Keith 

Posted on: 30 May 2017 by GerryMcg

I have the vinyl copy and it is superb much better than Ihave heard on all previous formats. Not had the opportunity yet to compare with digital versions. Finally got to like an album I have previously not rated that highly.

Posted on: 31 May 2017 by Dave***t

Just had my CD version turn up tonight.  First thought on pressing play was 'bugger, I thought the bloody stupid stereo panning was supposed to be gone!'.  It sounded like the old stereo job but with the bass made muddier and turned up too much - i.e. mostly bad, IMO.

Thankfully, that was just the first track, presumably to give it a live feel.  The rest so far sounds quite astonishingly clear given the age, and mercifully the drums are panned properly.  The drums are particularly improved, actually, much more depth to them.  Look forward to having a proper listen.

Posted on: 01 June 2017 by RICHYH

I have ripped the blu ray to 24-96, I think it better than the cd, a bit cleaner bass and more open. however I now have the entire album as one track, can anyone tell me how I separate without a loss in quality. I have now ordered the vinyl, so will evaluate that also when it comes.

thanks

Posted on: 01 June 2017 by Dave***t

Would have thought Audacity could help there, have a Google if the name's unfamiliar.

Posted on: 02 June 2017 by RICHYH

Many thanks Dave***t I will give it a go.

Posted on: 02 June 2017 by Nick Lees

It's loud, for sure, but dynamic and punchy as hell. Love it, especially the 24/96 ripped Blu-ray files.

Posted on: 04 June 2017 by Nick Lees

Listened to the 24/96 Strawberry Fields & Penny Lane remixes just now. Awesome. Just awesome. 

The album (and extras) is truly a (temporary, sadly) time machine to being 14 again and magic was coming out of every speaker (except of course when it was Englebert or Vikki Carr).

Posted on: 04 June 2017 by Dave***t
Gary Shaw posted:

Listened to the 24/96 Strawberry Fields & Penny Lane remixes just now. Awesome. Just awesome. 

The album (and extras) is truly a (temporary, sadly) time machine to being 14 again and magic was coming out of every speaker (except of course when it was Englebert or Vikki Carr).

14 when it came out? So, are you losing your hair? Hopefully not wasting away!

Posted on: 04 June 2017 by Nick Lees

Nailed it!

Posted on: 04 June 2017 by David O'Higgins
Gary Shaw posted:

Listened to the 24/96 Strawberry Fields & Penny Lane remixes just now. Awesome. Just awesome. 

The album (and extras) is truly a (temporary, sadly) time machine to being 14 again and magic was coming out of every speaker (except of course when it was Englebert or Vikki Carr).

Gary, please elaborate on how exactly you listened to the 24 bit versions. Specifically, did you rip them, and if so, how?

David

Posted on: 04 June 2017 by Nick Lees

Used MakeMKV to strip the protection off the Blu-Ray disc and create a backup, then used DVD Audio Extractor to rip the PCM 24/96 stuff from the backup files. It accesses a database to get the track listing info, so all I needed was a bit of dbPoweramp titivation. 

Posted on: 04 June 2017 by David O'Higgins

Thanks for the roadmap Gary. What a shame that we have to go through all that and pay £100+,for the privilege of hearing a 24bit version. Would you have bought it for that alone at that price, and if not, what would you have been prepared to pay for a 24 bit version download from HDTRACKS or qobuz?

Posted on: 05 June 2017 by Nick Lees

Good and complex question! It wasn't all that much faff as I already had the tools to hand (all those Steven Wilson remixes!), and I was drawn to the book, the videos and the lenticular cover *cough*. Even so, it took some cajoling from my adorable wife to finally go for the box.

If Qobuz had had it? Hmmm. I'm fully committed to streaming Upnp now, but I admit is was drawn to the physicality of the thing, just as I was the Pink Floyd box.

Posted on: 05 June 2017 by BigH47

Free speech, but expensive music. Just how many versions does one need? As a non Beatle fan I do have my 2 copies vinyl and CD. That's enough. As a RUSH fan I won't/don't buy these immersion type albums only the record company are going to gain with these.

Why the remix? Love was done for a separate project, I'll go with that, but to fiddle with what is called the" greatest album of all time" and the "album that changed all others following", how do you improve on supposed perfection? 

Posted on: 05 June 2017 by David O'Higgins
Gary Shaw posted:

Good and complex question! It wasn't all that much faff as I already had the tools to hand (all those Steven Wilson remixes!), and I was drawn to the book, the videos and the lenticular cover *cough*. Even so, it took some cajoling from my adorable wife to finally go for the box.

If Qobuz had had it? Hmmm. I'm fully committed to streaming Upnp now, but I admit is was drawn to the physicality of the thing, just as I was the Pink Floyd box.

I meant a Qobuz download, which has some of the physical characteristics, insofar as you can copy it, bring it with you to places where wifi is not available, etc. Also, Qobuz 24 bit streaming is not yet available, and may or may not be possible depending on where you live.

Posted on: 05 June 2017 by Nick Lees

Yeah, I meant download. I failed all my hippy exams by being way too materialistic, so even in this virtual age I buy downloads of everything I like. I use Qobuz to check stuff out...don't like the renting model

Posted on: 05 June 2017 by DrMark
BigH47 posted:

Why the remix? Love was done for a separate project, I'll go with that, but to fiddle with what is called the" greatest album of all time" and the "album that changed all others following", how do you improve on supposed perfection? 

The MUSIC was among the greatest of all time. The original stereo mix, not so much.

I find the hard right/left pan of the original Beatles stereo mixes to be very annoying. My hope is that this project corrects that, and that more will be done in the future...as long as they are done well.

Posted on: 05 June 2017 by joerand
DrMark posted:

I find the hard right/left pan of the original Beatles stereo mixes to be very annoying. My hope is that this project corrects that, and that more will be done in the future...as long as they are done well.

The various mono versions are great enough for true intent of 'the mix' the artists intended. Still, I find they don't have the same room-filling sonic satiation as stereo versions. Better centered stereo versions killing the excessive panning would be welcome in my view, not to say I'd buy them. I have too many versions/formats of Beatles' stuff already.

Got to hand it to them though, just when you thought the Beatles' marketers couldn't possible find another niche format, they've gone ahead and done so - revised stereo. Time will tell how the new Pepper sells although I suspect they're already well-into a 50th Anniversary White Album release.

Posted on: 08 June 2017 by DrMark

Received my CD copy 2 days ago, and listened to the main album yesterday. Overall I give it a thumbs up - no more terrible stereo separation. It does join the loudness wars a bit, and they could have given it some more dynamic range, but I think this will be my go-to version henceforth, although I may try some A-B with the mono version this weekend if I can find the time.