4 pin - 4 pin din leads

I'm not sure if I understand the dillema, but things like replacing a Snaic 4-4 by a Chord  / Naim SL / Sarum etc are discussed here frequently?

Ps, your Shift key is broken.

Discussion of 3rd party "SNAIC" substitutes is not allowed here as they constitute an unauthorised modification to Naim equipment, and in the case of the worst of them they could possibly damage your equipment.  Thanks.

Ok thanks, that's why I asked

so what is the difference between a SNAIC and an interconnect

so a 4 pin- 4 pin din from supercap to supercap is banned 

what about a 4pin-5pin din supercap to 52 (i.e. For a superline)

I believe Burndies are also banned 

with so many varieties of cable it can become confusing as to which we can and can't talk about in the absence of specific information in the forum rules

lyndon

If it can carry DC power as well as signal then it's either a SNAIC or a Burndy.  Interconnects, DIN-XLR, or DIN active leads are signal only.

Ok thanks

but surely the SNAIC connection between the 52PS and Snaxo supercap is signal only ??

lyndon

Yes, but the SNAIC is still a SNAIC...

Richard, would you allow discussion of interconnect leads from a 272 to a 250 (or 300) here and allow Lyndon to hope the same applies in his circumstances?

I realise this is bending the rules somewhat, so...  if not please delete this post asap!

Lyndon:   N.B. using a lead in different circumstances doesn't guarantee it'll perform the same.

Huge, discussion of DIN-XLR leads between say a NAC-N272 and a NAP250 is OK, just so long as there is no connection with any company that applies unauthorised modifications to Naim equipment, or to a company who have requested that neither they nor their products are discussed on this forum. Discussion of "SNAIC" substitutes is not allowed.

For my NAC-N 272 to NAP 300DR connection I made up leads using Mogami W2549 with Prehkeytec 4 pin DIN  and Neutrik XLR connectors.  The results were very good, but my conclusions are specific to the NAC-N 272 to NAP 300DR connection.

Moderated Post:  Huge, I have edited this post:  any "SNAIC" substitute should not be discussed.  If it can carry DC power to a Naim pre-amp and it's not Naim's own, in others words.

Richard Dane posted:

Yes, but the SNAIC is still a SNAIC...

Richard, I thought I had it, but maybe not!

Super Naim Audio Inter Connect:

S N A I C = signal & power

But which is the culprit, which can damage Naim's Preamp, or Naim's Snaxo, Superline, etc..

Please say the power!

Signal only is fine, Chord's Analog Music, but Any Company, that manufactures an substitute for Naim's Snaic, please don't discuss.

Do I got it?

Thank in Advance Richard!

Allante93!

You got it.

Richard, Allente93,

As most of Naim's pre-amps have a single 24V power rail, there may also be some concerns on the signal side as well, when used with these.
(Note that this is a 'may' raised from purely theoretical concerns - I don't know any where near enough about the actual design of Naim preamps to say whether or not these concerns occur in practice and if so with which series of preamps... definitely best not to mess with these SNAICs as you might get bitten!).

The Naim source components (and the 172 & 272) use dual rail supplies, so can be more tolerant of the electrical characteristics of the load (i.e. the cable).

Now of course it was Naim that introduced an unauthorized power mod to supply the LP12 (via the Armageddon) and the Sony Walkman Pro (via modifiying their own SNAPS). I think Linns response was to improve THEIR rather basik/Nirvana power supply in the form of the Linngo. Sony on the other hand seemed quite unperturbed. 

Ron Toolsie posted:

Now of course it was Naim that introduced an unauthorized power mod to supply the LP12 (via the Armageddon) and the Sony Walkman Pro (via modifiying their own SNAPS). I think Linns response was to improve THEIR rather basik/Nirvana power supply in the form of the Linngo. Sony on the other hand seemed quite unperturbed. 

I here you Ron, but being an ex Linnie, I get the Naim/Linn Relationship.

Julian sought to improve on the basic Amp, whilst Ivor, was not content with the basic TT.

Business partners, they weren't.

However, Sound partners, that's a different story:

Never heard the iconic combo, featuring Linn's Aktiv Briks, and Naim's 6-pack, but  LK 280's, Sparks, Klouts, let's say we've been introduced!

Nearly 5 decades later,  I wonder how many Naim/Linn Systems still share Linn's K-20 with Naim's Aro & Armageddon?

Sign of the Times:

Linn ceased production of it's Reference CDP

Focal/Naim Merger

Linn's Exakt active technologies/Kudos

Naim ceased Speaker production

Naim ceased production of Reference CDP

Naim's Snaxo active technologies/Kudos

Linn Streamlining Mode

Naim Streamlining Mode, Tuner, XS, etc..

When it's all said and done, that Naim/Linn Relationship is still going Strong!

Designer Woodsong plinths, to accompany Linn's LP 12, the TT of choice, for Naim Audio!

But the Day when Naim & Linn cease production of Amps & TTs, Armageddon has truly arrived!

After all, it all started in 1969 & 1973!

Allante93!

PS. The Relationship of interest, Focal/Naim!