Malaka posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

It's more likely that you do understand, but that the thread is pointless and/or meaningless. As to why I posted the picture of the hideously overblown Focals should be blatantly obvious. 

why is the thread pointless kyrie?

are you the gate keeper?

Why -- isn't that self-evident?!

NDS + 552 + 500 + Magico S3

Does that count?

Adam Zielinski posted:

NDS + 552 + 500 + Magico S3

Does that count?

that makes perfect sense to me

Adam Zielinski posted:

NDS + 552 + 500 + Magico S3

Does that count?

Adam, are your Magico S3 speakers new to you? (Your profile suggests you have Ovators).

Please give some thoughts on the S3. Not many people have heard them outside the USA and they get good reviews.

ynwa250505 posted:

 

 

 

The carpet is very disagreeable too

There's fag burns in it, but I still had to go out onto the patio for a smoke. Care home rules & regs you see....

who own's $20,000k and up speakers

I do not own $20K speakers but if I did, I would make sure they can beat $12K Klipshorns that can be driven with a Nait!

Adam Zielinski posted:

NDS + 552 + 500 + Magico S3

Does that count?

Yes

555+552+500+Shahinian Diapasons for me

Malaka posted:

I'm not sure why Focal speakers were posted when I never mentioned any brands

Because this is Naim Forum!

Then came the Merger, Focal/Naim

Naim's Reference Speaker, gone

Naim's Reference CDP, gone

Naim's Tuner, gone

155XS, 172XS, gone

And Naim is tweaking it's Snaxo technologies with a well known Speaker Company, that doesn't match their Business Partner!

Puting it mildly, most Members probably, aren't that fond of Focal.

Hence, that ridiculous Photo!

But the expected Speakers:

Ovators 800s

Kudos 808s, 707s

Magico S3s

Ok what's next?

BTW, just sign of the times!

Naim had to Streamline, to stay profitable!

Allante93!

Malaka posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

It's more likely that you do understand, but that the thread is pointless and/or meaningless. As to why I posted the picture of the hideously overblown Focals should be blatantly obvious. 

why is the thread pointless kyrie?

are you the gate keeper?

Another great addition to the forum I see. 

I'm beginning to wonder whether there is a plot afoot by a competitor. 

I better stick to coffee. 

.sjb 

Allante93 posted:

Malaka posted:

I'm not sure why Focal speakers were posted when I never mentioned any brands

Because this is Naim Forum!

Then came the Merger, Focal/Naim

Naim's Reference Speaker, gone

Naim's Reference CDP, gone

Naim's Tuner, gone

155XS, 172XS, gone

And Naim is tweaking it's Snaxo technologies with a well known Speaker Company, that doesn't match their Business Partner!

Puting it mildly, most Members probably, aren't that fond of Focal.

Hence, that ridiculous Photo!

But the expected Speakers:

Ovators 800s

Kudos 808s, 707s

Magico S3s

Ok what's next?

BTW, just sign of the times!

Naim had to Streamline, to stay profitable!

Allante93!

Focal never needed Naim nor I doubt needed to merge

Someone must own these - and I bet they cost more than $20k...  But needs a room with a ceiling somewhat more than the 6ft hotel room housing those Focals.

i will buy these speakers and put them in my bathroom , and the japanese woman will make me a massage....

Keler Pierre posted:

i will buy these speakers and put them in my bathroom , and the japanese woman will make me a massage....

that sounds like a plan a good ol fashion

Hungryhalibut posted:

It's more likely that you do understand, but that the thread is pointless and/or meaningless. As to why I posted the picture of the hideously overblown Focals should be blatantly obvious. 

i fear that you are right....

Malaka posted:

Keler Pierre posted:

i will buy these speakers and put them in my bathroom , and the japanese woman will make me a massage....

that sounds like a plan a good ol fashion

to say that this enormous speakers will be useless for me, perhaps not the japanese....

Keler Pierre posted:

to say that this enormous speakers will be useless for me, perhaps not the japanese....

Man, I wish I understood French!

badlands posted:

Keler Pierre posted:

to say that this enormous speakers will be useless for me, perhaps not the japanese....

Man, I wish I understood French!

you see, french language is not so difficult...

I have had to demo large speakers in tiny rooms at hifi shows. It's just part of the territory. Magnaplanar MGIII's were 1000mm wide, try getting them to look balanced, (let alone sound balanced), in a 3.5m wide hotel bedroom. Or huge TLS or Appogee. One does what one must.

Hiifi shows serve many purposes. And making your product visible is perhaps the main one. Casual punters will ooh and aah, and think hifi is crazy. More serious prospects will talk to you about a home or instore demo. If you don't exhibit large speakers, or don't stock them because your little sound lounge is too small, you're doing your business and your clients a disservice.

I've also put large speakers for clients in smaller rooms, sometimes there are good reasons. A client might have zoomed up the hifi ladder faster than his accommodation. Or the opportunity came up for a great buy and you just do it. And you can play a modest speaker system at window rattling levels, (I do all the time, my S400s can really move), just as you can with larger speakers. Ditto for lower sound levels. Sometimes it just works, I had some huge Stax ELS F83 electrostatics in a 3 x 3 room, they were great. Also had Kans in the same space, and they were great, although the Stax killed them in most areas.

As for aesthetics, speakers will always be divisive. I'm an interior designer, and have done quite a few home theatres and music rooms, and in my old hifi sales career would have installed thousands of systems. People either accept the look or they don't.

I've seen and heard Focals, they're pretty impressive. Build quality is fantastic and I love the colours. Or look at Vivid speakers, B&W 800 series, or across the pond to your American manufacturers. Interesting shapes may challenge the eye, but only if you put form over function. There are good reasons, (I'm talking only serious stuff here), why things are shaped as they are. To me there is a beauty in something sounding great so I'm happy to see the speaker cabinet. To me its no more ugly than a tv or a couch or a Ferrari. Well made products have their own qualities.

Admittedly, the visual balance in the photo is wrong, the speakers do loom. But don't be so quick to ridicule.

Malaka posted:

Allante93 posted:

Malaka posted:

I'm not sure why Focal speakers were posted when I never mentioned any brands

Puting it mildly, most Members probably, aren't that fond of Focal.

Hence, that ridiculous Photo!

But the expected Speakers:

Ovators 800s

Kudos 808s, 707s

Magico S3s

Ok what's next?

BTW, just sign of the times!

Naim had to Streamline, to stay profitable!

Allante93!

Focal never needed Naim nor I doubt needed to merge

Well, Malaka, now you understand the photo.

It appears, you are not that fond of the Merger Either.

But Remember, it was a mutual business agreement. Nobody Forced Naim, or Focal!

But to your thread: 20K

Ovators 800s

Kudos 808s, 707s

Magico S3

Allante93!

People buy 200k cars  100k kitchens 20k watches so what so special about 20k speakers.in order for hiend hifi to survive we need people who are buying at this sort of prices.and to the french guy that remark was out of order.

mrclick posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

NDS + 552 + 500 + Magico S3

Does that count?

Adam, are your Magico S3 speakers new to you? (Your profile suggests you have Ovators).

Please give some thoughts on the S3. Not many people have heard them outside the USA and they get good reviews.

 

It's my fellow Naim friend's set - I liked the sound of them, but the speakers were tad too big for his room.

I'm sticking to my Ovators - love them.

leni v posted:

People buy 200k cars  100k kitchens 20k watches so what so special about 20k speakers.in order for hiend hifi to survive we need people who are buying at this sort of prices.and to the french guy that remark was out of order.

I agree.

I would add that with hifi, cars and kitchens, products for which I have an interest, a huge proportion of offerings, regardless of price, aren't aimed at utility. By that I mean, doing the job that you would expect given the product category. Look at a Ferrari compared to a Rolls. If driving is you interest, which car fills the aim? Want a perfect bbq steak, what appliance would you choose? As to music, who on earth buys B&O? Here in Australia you can drop $100k on lifestyle audio. Not people in the Naim Forum but....

And a lot of people buy things for reasons counter to the logical aim of the product. You should check out my wardrobe! Full of flim-flamery  and really stupid fabric choices. And damn, some of the dollars I have spent. For what? Pure indulgence. Who cares about utility when it makes you feel good?

If we didn't have people sinking big dollars on what we here in our little subset of hifi illuminati see as misguided product, we probably wouldn't have out cherished icons also. Ultimately, we need dollars spent to support manufacturers or else we will have nothing to choose from. Manufacturers will not have enough critical mass to survive.

It's also true for "real audio" brands. I have sold a lot of great product to clients who really couldn't give a flying fig about music. Sometimes they come around to what we may see as the righteous way, as exposure to great music can have an effect, sometimes they don't. Who cares? They feel happy, maybe they don't. So a NAP 300 goes on e-bay for someone else, and the Naim dealer and or our Salisbury friends got some cash flow, we get a chance at something special at a knock-down price. Winners all round.

I'm as tunnel visioned as they come, forty plus years of selling/buying/breathing little black boxes has that effect, but honestly,  we are lucky to have the option, but I feel that our aims aren't the only valid ones.

leni v posted:

People buy 200k cars  100k kitchens 20k watches so what so special about 20k speakers.in order for hiend hifi to survive we need people who are buying at this sort of prices.and to the french guy that remark was out of order.

if you re-read my thread I stated who spent "$20kusd and above" on there loudspeakers.

Perhaps all you need to do is look in the System Pics 2017 thread, and you'll find out. Kudos Titan 808 and Naim Ovator 800s spring to mind, as do DBLs if you count their original price. 

Malaka posted:

leni v posted:

People buy 200k cars  100k kitchens 20k watches so what so special about 20k speakers.in order for hiend hifi to survive we need people who are buying at this sort of prices.and to the french guy that remark was out of order.

if you re-read my thread I stated who spent "$20kusd and above" on there loudspeakers.

you can also look in each member profile in topics about loudspeakers. But in general, people buying speakers more than 20 k have almost 552/500 or 30/40k electronics...and they are not so many...