Naim powerline vs powerline lite?

Doesn't all EU Naim gear already come with a good quality Naim cable? In a sense - EU version of the Powerline Lite?

Where I live it is UK plugs format...

analogmusic posted:

Where I live it is UK plugs format...

Ahh... of course. 

In case of EU there is a clear improvement moving from a moulded standard plug to a Furutech one. The main difference is actually in the equipment side plug which is much better. I also suspect the cable itself is an improvement. Overall - a clear, audible gain.

Adam Zielinski posted:

analogmusic posted:

Where I live it is UK plugs format...

Ahh... of course. 

In case of EU there is a clear improvement moving from a moulded standard plug to a Furutech one. The main difference is actually in the equipment side plug which is much better. I also suspect the cable itself is an improvement. Overall - a clear, audible gain.

Adam, which  power cables would you suggest to a Warszawiak if he was considering upgrading his Olive system ? ;-) 

I have the PL Lites powering the 282's NAPSC and its SuperCap DR. It opened up the sound stage, provided a much greater intimacy with vocals that was almost like the singer being in the room, similarly instruments and sound fills the room. In order words more fine detail to the sound etc.

Previously never used anything but the standard MK plug on the NAPSC. Found a thread from 2014 pointing out that the NAPSC benefits a lot from a better powercord. https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...r-unsung-hero?page=2. The theory is that noise etc coming in via the NAPSC is reduced. So don't just hang it on the ring main either if you have a dedicated radial, and put it on a shelf and check positioning relative to other boxes.

I found the PL Lite did not help the 300 DR PS - it made the sound rather harsh just as the PLs did. Each to his/her own though. 

Filipe posted:

I found the PL Lite did not help the 300 DR PS - it made the sound rather harsh just as the PLs did. Each to his/her own though. 

Odd. When I added a single Powerline I found the best result was on the NAP 300PS.

It's a controversial subject anyway. The differences if any will be hard to make out I imagine.

Steve O posted:

Filipe posted:

I found the PL Lite did not help the 300 DR PS - it made the sound rather harsh just as the PLs did. Each to his/her own though. 

Odd. When I added a single Powerline I found the best result was on the NAP 300PS.

You have your 300DR -- I guess "the end of this week" has finally arrived. 

Wugged Woy posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

analogmusic posted:

Where I live it is UK plugs format...

Ahh... of course. 

In case of EU there is a clear improvement moving from a moulded standard plug to a Furutech one. The main difference is actually in the equipment side plug which is much better. I also suspect the cable itself is an improvement. Overall - a clear, audible gain.

Adam, which  power cables would you suggest to a Warszawiak if he was considering upgrading his Olive system ? ;-) 

A very good question - I actually use my Olive set with modern-era standard Naim mains leads and NACA5. 

For the Black boxes - PowerLines gave the best results.

Steve O posted:

Filipe posted:

I found the PL Lite did not help the 300 DR PS - it made the sound rather harsh just as the PLs did. Each to his/her own though. 

Odd. When I added a single Powerline I found the best result was on the NAP 300PS.

Before I added the Witch Hat DIN to XLR between the SuperCap DR and 300 DR I might have said the same. It then sounded better without the PL. I play a wide range of music and never judge on a single genre or over a short period as the sound evolves sometimes for the worse.

Drewy posted:

It's a controversial subject anyway. The differences if any will be hard to make out I imagine.

These sound changes are very noticeable and immediate. If it works the sound only gets better. Read the link https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...r-unsung-hero?page=2

Filipe posted:

Drewy posted:

It's a controversial subject anyway. The differences if any will be hard to make out I imagine.

These sound changes are very noticeable and immediate. If it works the sound only gets better. Read the link https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...r-unsung-hero?page=2

I have 3 Powerlines. The difference is very subtle over standard Naim leads so i assume the powerline Lite will be even more subtle and i don't reckon id hear a difference over a regular powerline. 

Of course I'm only guessing and I have no reason personally to try it out.

Drewy posted:

Filipe posted:

Drewy posted:

It's a controversial subject anyway. The differences if any will be hard to make out I imagine.

These sound changes are very noticeable and immediate. If it works the sound only gets better. Read the link https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...r-unsung-hero?page=2

I have 3 Powerlines. The difference is very subtle over standard Naim leads so i assume the powerline Lite will be even more subtle and i don't reckon id hear a difference over a regular powerline. 

Of course I'm only guessing and I have no reason personally to try it out.

You don't have a 282/SuperCap with NAPSC. PLs were made for high end systems like yours. If you have tried the PL Lite vs the PL then it would be interesting to hear your actual views. I'd say that the extra fine detail I hear is far from subtle. The sound is a wow thing.

Filipe posted:

Drewy posted:

Filipe posted:

Drewy posted:

It's a controversial subject anyway. The differences if any will be hard to make out I imagine.

These sound changes are very noticeable and immediate. If it works the sound only gets better. Read the link https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...r-unsung-hero?page=2

I have 3 Powerlines. The difference is very subtle over standard Naim leads so i assume the powerline Lite will be even more subtle and i don't reckon id hear a difference over a regular powerline. 

Of course I'm only guessing and I have no reason personally to try it out.

You don't have a 282/SuperCap with NAPSC. PLs were made for high end systems like yours. If you have tried the PL Lite vs the PL then it would be interesting to hear your actual views. I'd say that the extra fine detail I hear is far from subtle. The sound is a wow thing.

Ok so we have different systems so we might be hearing different things but in my own case putting powerlines on certainly didn't give me a wow moment, I'm certain there is an improvement but it didn't jump out at me and if the Lite is say half the improvement I would struggle to hear any difference more than likely. 

Drewy posted:

Filipe posted:

Drewy posted:

Filipe posted:

Drewy posted:

It's a controversial subject anyway. The differences if any will be hard to make out I imagine.

These sound changes are very noticeable and immediate. If it works the sound only gets better. Read the link https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...r-unsung-hero?page=2

I have 3 Powerlines. The difference is very subtle over standard Naim leads so i assume the powerline Lite will be even more subtle and i don't reckon id hear a difference over a regular powerline. 

Of course I'm only guessing and I have no reason personally to try it out.

You don't have a 282/SuperCap with NAPSC. PLs were made for high end systems like yours. If you have tried the PL Lite vs the PL then it would be interesting to hear your actual views. I'd say that the extra fine detail I hear is far from subtle. The sound is a wow thing.

Ok so we have different systems so we might be hearing different things but in my own case putting powerlines on certainly didn't give me a wow moment, I'm certain there is an improvement but it didn't jump out at me and if the Lite is say half the improvement I would struggle to hear any difference more than likely. 

 

Your system must give you a very impressive sound. I'm really pleased with mine now. I have spent an awful lot of time trying things out. I did experimental physics for a doctorate so it is second nature. Read the post on the NAPSC. Also the Witch Hat DIN to XLR is well recommended if you don't  want the cost of SL. I have a SL IC between the nDAC and 282. One day maybe the SL Din to XLR. SQ and cost are not always proportional.

I have all the cable upgrades to look forward to as I'm running standard Naim cables at the moment and will be until I get my extension built on my house. At the moment my speakers are not ideally positioned so am looking forward to having some extra room to really get the best out of it

I have a full fat P/L on my SU and it has made a significant difference - had an extended home loan and I have no doubts.

I also was given a P/L-lite and passed it on to a friend with a Uniti2. It made a very clear improvement on that although we haven't buggered around swapping back and forth between the P/Ls to gauge the relative gain. They seem expensive for a tarted up kettle lead but in terms of sound quality for the money they are very good value.

I have swopped out my standard power cables for the P/L-lite cables on my CD5si/Nait5si combo. I noted an all round improvement immediately and felt that it was worth every penny in doing so. I have not tried the full fat Power-Line cables but then again I do feel that those would be over the top for my 'very umble' yet very satisfying set-up.

The Powerline Lite mains plug is very good in itself. A very neat design with the decoupled cable clamp and floating pins. I still use two standard naim mains cables (albeit in a Hydra Y arrangement with single mains plug) and replacing my original Crabtree plug with the Powerline Lite mains plug was certainly worthwhile. 

Timo posted:

Steve O posted:

Filipe posted:

I found the PL Lite did not help the 300 DR PS - it made the sound rather harsh just as the PLs did. Each to his/her own though. 

Odd. When I added a single Powerline I found the best result was on the NAP 300PS.

You have your 300DR -- I guess "the end of this week" has finally arrived. 

Actually I was referring to the standard NAP 300 when replying, but you're quite correct; the end of this week has finally arrived and today I have installed the NAP 300DR and Suoercap DR (and done a complete rebuild in the process). Unfortunately though I ordered a couple of Powerline Lites which have still not arrived. So for them at least "the end of the week" is still to arrive!

Regards,