% Spend on Hi-Fi components

TOBYJUG posted:

But yes, this sort of thinking is really specific to the system.  We all hear the same thing differently. But hang on. We all hear different things differently.

you got £500. £5.000. £50.000. £500.000 etc to spend ? Systems are a moving target. You hit bullseye this year.   You'd miss big time say this time next decade. Keep your ear on the ground, but within distance of large poopers.

Well put, facetious one!

Allante93!

source... (N272-T - 555PS-DR) 28%

amp... (300DR) 22%

speakers... (Focal Sopra 3) 29%

cables... (Powerlines,Burndy,SL 3m, SL DIN-XLR's,Ethernet) 21%

Innocent Bystander posted:

My present system as below, first figure is current new replacement cost, or maufactuerer's current equivalent where existing is no longer in production, using manufacturer's recommended retail price. Because I bought much of it secondhand, I've included  in perentheses the proportion based on prices i actually paid, normalised for inflation where necessary.

• Source (music store, renderer and DAC: 33% (57%)
• Amplification (power amp only as I don't use a preamp, while a DAC with volume control doesn't lend itself to assigning a proportion of that cost as if ut were a preamp):16% (13%)
• Speakers: 50% (29%)
• Cables: 1% (1%)

 

The intersting thing is, a year ago the value proportion  of my system was quite different, with just a simgle item (DAC) making the difference. Whilst not as good sound, the earlier system was no less enjoyable, though maybe a little less addictive:

• Source (music store, renderer and DAC: 12%
• Amplification (power amp only): 21%
• Speakers: 66%
• Cables: 1% 

Adam Zielinski posted:

I always spend 100% of my h-fi budget on my hi-fi 

I don't remeber how much I spent in each piece but I'm almost sure that in total was about the same as you, 100%.

CD + Vinyl Sources:   42%.  (555+ 2x555PS.  Verdier>Superline+Supercap,)

Pre and Power AMP: 32%.  (552>500DR)

Speakers:                    13%.   (ProAc D40R)

Fraim, cable, power: 13%.    (Includes earth grounds, Powerlines, Fraim, Nordost QBase and Valhalla2 power cord.)

This is ballpark.  I bought most of my stuff demo and don't really know what the retail is.  The ProAcs punch above their weight and I don't need a bigger speaker in my room.  My next project is to DR the 552 and consider  a pair of Magico's.  I am done otherwise.

^^ Allante, What are the benefits of tri-amping when compared with using a single NAP250?

Sorry for diversion.

Chris

Allante93 posted:

* All Pre-loved 2nd hand gear!  USD

Source 2008, Cdx2 ~ 1.7K/22.3

Pre-Amp 2008, 282 ~ 3.4K/22.3

2014 HCDR ~ 3.4K/22.3

 

Amps 3 x 250.2 ~ 10.4K/22.3

2 @2012, 1 @ 2015

Speakers 1991 Briks ' 3K/22.3

Support & Cabling
Fraimlite/NAC A4 ~ 2.2K/22.3

Total (All 2nd hand) ~ $22,300 USD

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Source ~ 7.6%

Pre-Amp ~ 22.4%

Amps ~ 46.6% * Outlier Tri-Amped

Speakers ~ 13.7% Outlier purchased 1993

Support & Cabling ~ 9.9 %

Standard Naim ICs 

Speaker Cable Nac A4/Linn K-20 Outlier 

 

Typo forgot HCDR!

Erich posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

I always spend 100% of my h-fi budget on my hi-fi 

I don't remeber how much I spent in each piece but I'm almost sure that in total was about the same as you, 100%.

For me, I'm sure it's quite a bit less than 100% of the total spent on components.
The contents of my NAS drive (and the CDs in storage) also seem to justify that conclusion!  

Christopher_M posted:

^^ Allante, What are the benefits of tri-amping when compared with using a single NAP250?

Sorry for diversion.

Chris

Sorry for the Delay, typo forgot the HCDR 

Part of the Pre Amp:

3.4 + 1.6 = 5/22.3 increased % results.

Speaker should be 13.5% not 13.7%, but it's also an Outlier, since the purchase was nearly 3 decades ago!

Anyhow, not much, can play a little louder without the minute distortions.

In short, more Headroom!

The Real Advantage is going Active, this is why Naim has incorporated the outputs located on the rear of the HCDR & SCDR.

So Bi-Amping & Tri-Amping, which is not frowned upon by Naim, is mainly a resting point, before Activating Certain Speakers.

Briks, SL2s, Dibbles, and the Ovators to Naim a few!

That's all, taking the Crossover out of the Equation. A pure unobstructed route to the Drivers!

250.2 >tweeter

250.2>mid range

250.2> Bass

But, in order for that to take place, one would need an External XO!

Naim's Snaxo Technologies!

Hope that was helpful!

Allante93!

The Crossover incorporated beneath the Briks, within Stands made for the Briks! 

Notice how the Nac A4/Linn K-20 Speaker Cable, that is used from the internal/external XO, is routed directly to the inputs of the Isobariks! 

Not Bad in Passive Mode, but can't wait to take that XO out of the Equation! 

I thought it best not to change Speaker Cable, until I take the XO out of the equation, at that point, I will be eyeballing that Archaic Chord Signature Speaker Cable, I always thought it was well put together!  

How bad can it Be!!!!

Allante93! 

PS. Those Bricks  weigh a ton, What ever happened to Real Craftsmanship!  

Perhaps it's time for less posting and more cleaning. Just look at that lamp base. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

Perhaps it's time for less posting and more cleaning. Just look at that lamp base. 

This is true, wise one, that's come I haven't posted on you're site, Systems Pics.

But, during that time, I was remodeling. 

But I must admit, not as clean and nice as your beautiful home.

Thanks four tunning in!

@ Chris, I hope I answered your question, about Tri-Amping!

Allante93!

PS. I love posting, got your attention!

But, If it upsets you, I will slow down!

Christopher_M posted:

^^ Allante, What are the benefits of tri-amping when compared with using a single NAP250?

Sorry for diversion.

Chris

 Last one HH, going for a walk!

Just so you know, you can't bi-amp SL2s, as they only have one set of sockets on the crossover. SBLs and DBLs are the same. 

Well, for the benefit of others and just to avoid any possible confusion here; while it's true that you can't passively bi-amp a pair of SL2s, you can actively bi-amp them by removing the passive crossover and using an appropriate active crossover and additional amp(s).  Same goes for SBLs, IBLs, later Intros, Credos and Allaes. DBLs and NBLs can be actively tri-amped in a similar way.

The point here is that in the realm of Naim, when Naim refer to bi-amping and tri-amping, it's taken as read that this means active rather than passive.

6% on speakers (used NBLs)

24% on vinyl source excluding phono stage

the rest is amps and their ps'

I've taken digital out of the calculations for now but its lower than on speakers.

Richard Dane posted:

Well, for the benefit of others and just to avoid any possible confusion here; while it's true that you can't passively bi-amp a pair of SL2s, you can actively bi-amp them by removing the passive crossover and using an appropriate active crossover and additional amp(s).  Same goes for SBLs, IBLs, later Intros, Credos and Allaes. DBLs and NBLs can be actively tri-amped in a similar way.

The point here is that in the realm of Naim, when Naim refer to bi-amping and tri-amping, it's taken as read that this means active rather than passive.

Thanks Richard, didn't mean to be misleading, that's why I posted the picture.

Those Briks are rather unique!

The Forum at it's best.

Informative & Query Mode!

Naim's Active Technologies:

Allante93!

PS. Back from walk!

% spent on Posh Cables!

10, 20, or 40% ?

Richard Dane posted:

Well, for the benefit of others and just to avoid any possible confusion here; while it's true that you can't passively bi-amp a pair of SL2s, you can actively bi-amp them by removing the passive crossover and using an appropriate active crossover and additional amp(s).  Same goes for SBLs, IBLs, later Intros, Credos and Allaes. DBLs and NBLs can be actively tri-amped in a similar way.

The point here is that in the realm of Naim, when Naim refer to bi-amping and tri-amping, it's taken as read that this means active rather than passive.

I have to say I've never been convinced as to the merit of passive bi- or tri-amping, unlike active. A bit like biwiring, which never convinced me, only more expensive...

Innocent Bystander posted:

Richard Dane posted:

Well, for the benefit of others and just to avoid any possible confusion here; while it's true that you can't passively bi-amp a pair of SL2s, you can actively bi-amp them by removing the passive crossover and using an appropriate active crossover and additional amp(s).  Same goes for SBLs, IBLs, later Intros, Credos and Allaes. DBLs and NBLs can be actively tri-amped in a similar way.

The point here is that in the realm of Naim, when Naim refer to bi-amping and tri-amping, it's taken as read that this means active rather than passive.

I have to say I've never been convinced as to the merit of passive bi- or tri-amping, unlike active. A bit like biwiring, which never convinced me, only more expensive...

That's exactly why I asked Allante my question though I should perhaps have referred to passive tri-amping.

Hungryhalibut posted:

Perhaps it's time for less posting and more cleaning. Just look at that lamp base. 

Allante hopefully has dusted since the photo was taken - if not he will have trouble even finding the lamp base to clean it, unless we are communicating across a time warp... (the photo appears to have been taken in 1993).

Christopher_M posted:

Innocent Bystander 

That's exactly why I asked Allante my question though I should perhaps have referred to passive tri-amping.

Yes Chris, and that's why I exactly answered your question.

Not much, I agree with you and Innocent.

Also, HH, and Mr. Richard Dane Pointed out, 

That Naim's Speakers, can't be Bi-Amped, or Tri- Amped!

That's Something unique, to Linn's Isobariks!

Which allowed me to Bi- Amp, which I,ve done, Tri-Amp, which is where I am now, and to Activate them, later this Year!

Snaxo 362, $1.4K GBP

Pre-loved SC 2

This is a special situation, that can only come about with the Briks!

I remember, when DB shared his photos of his Briks, Nice they were!

552>3 x 500s > Snaxo 362> Briks!

With no Dust! LOL....

Now back to the OP's Thread:

% spent on Posh Cables, I meant components!

Allante93!

Allante93 posted:

Christopher_M posted:

Innocent Bystander 

That's exactly why I asked Allante my question though I should perhaps have referred to passive tri-amping.

Yes Chris, and that's why I exactly answered your question.

Not much, I agree with you and Innocent.

Also, HH, and Mr. Richard Dane Pointed out, 

That Naim's Speakers, can't be Bi-Amped, or Tri- Amped!

That's Something unique, to Linn's Isobariks!

Which allowed me to Bi- Amp, which I,ve done, Tri-Amp, which is where I am now, and to Activate them, later this Year!

Snaxo 362, $1.4K GBP

Pre-loved SC 2

This is a special situation, that can only come about with the Briks!

I remember, when DB shared his photos of his Briks, Nice they were!

552>3 x 500s > Snaxo 362> Briks!

With no Dust! LOL....

Now back to the OP's Thread:

% spent on Posh Cables, I meant components!

Allante93!

 

Richard's post said that some of the Naim speakers CAN be bi-amped, not that they can't (but only active not passive). Or did you mean he was confirming they can't be passively bi-amped?

Innocent Bystander posted:

Allante93 posted:

Richard's post said that some of the Naim speakers CAN be bi-amped, not that they can't (but only active not passive). Or did you mean he was confirming they can't be passively bi-amped?

Yes, it's its right there, Richard's quote!

When Naim uses the term Bi Amp or Tri Amp, referring to actively!

HH, was correct, SL2s can't be Passively Bi Amped!

That's why HH is respected, he knows his gear!

DB is respected, he knows his gear!

Mr.Dane is Respected.....

"ADAM MEREDITHMEMBER

9/14/07 12:20 PM

No we don't have a particular beef against bi-amping - rather bi-wiring.

However, bi-wiring seldom show gains over the purchase of an improved amplifier. This may (at new prices) cost no more than the total for the two "lesser" amplifiers and extra speaker cables."

"RICHARD DANE ADMINISTRATOR

On Bi-wiring:

1/9/13 9:22 AM

Don't do it.  Naim recommend against it for good reason - For one, the amp won't like it and it could lead to failure.  Worth noting that any consequent failure could be considered to have arisen from abuse and thus not covered under any existing warranty"

That's all! Wow!

Highly Respected Members!

Allante93!

I'm now totally confused - haven't understood a word of the last half a dozen posts!!

Allante, My question now is how good is a bare CDX2 into such a heavily amped set?

Why not CDS3 (or better) into 252 and a single 250? ie. a different allocation of resources. (Phew, thread now back on track).