Balanced Mains Transformer

Posted by: john s on 20 June 2017

About a year ago I had a dedicated power supply installed and was very pleased with the results so I thought this year I would go to phase 2 - a balanced mains transformer in the hope it would remove the transformer hum from my boxes. Having read lots of posts on this it seems worth a try as the hum varies considerably during the day etc. so may well be "dirty" mains. I also decided that an Airlink standard balanced transformer (from their Audio/Balanced PS section) would be the best bet, and I planned to go for the BPS3120 which is a 3000va unit - way more than needed for my boxes but the advice I've seen is to overspecify and the cost isn't huge compared to some hifi purchases.

However, when I spoke to my electrician he reminded me that we had included a MK Sentry - 2 Way Insulated Enclosure with 1 x MK Sentry RCD (63 amp,  30mA) in the dedicated spur. The 63 amp rating was (as far as I can remember) based on a recommendation in the forum - not for electrical reasons but for hifi sound quality (not something I understood but there you go). Cable by the way is 10mm2.

The point is that the amp rating for the Airlink BPS is 13amp in/out so he felt he would have to downgrade the 63 rcd fuse to match - which he is happy to do.

So - my query is NOT about electricity and regulations but about whether or not changing the 63 amp rcd to 13 amp would have any detrimental effect on SQ. Obviously I don't want to solve the hum problem at the expense of SQ  - it's a "nice to have" improvement not something that is driving me totally crazy.

Any views or experiences on this?  As ever - thanks for reading/input.

 

Posted on: 20 June 2017 by Finkfan

The RCD being 63A is completely irrelevant. The rcd is NOT an over current device and will NOT trip out should current exceed 63A. The rcd will detect an imbalance between phase and neutral and trip if current leakage exceeds 30mA. To protect the cable feeding the airline you'll need the correct rating of MCB after the RCD. I should have thought the airline would have its own over current device. 

Posted on: 20 June 2017 by Innocent Bystander

There seems to be some confusion here: if it is a plain RCD, capable of switching 61A when the earth leakage exceeds 30mA, then it would not be a problem (and the electrician wouldn't say it is) feeding a device needing 13A protection, however there should be a fuse or MCB (miniature circuit breaker) In series with it to protect the transformer.

Alternatively if it is an RCCB - a residual current circuit breaker - that combines functions of RCD and MCB then the electrician's advice would be correct (alternatively adding a fuse or MCB between it and the transformer).

i suggest doublecheck with the electrician as to what it is and what he meant, just in case something has got lost in translation. Meanwhile maybe people's experience re any sonic effects would prepare  you to make a decision at that point.

Posted on: 21 June 2017 by john s

Ok -  thanks, obviously some confusion on my part but in essence airlink suggest putting either an mcb or a RCBO either side of the transformer. Are there any views as to whether using these in a dedicated mains supply has any impact on sound quality?

Posted on: 21 June 2017 by Huge

The answers given are electrically correct, however an RCD on a balanced supply should never trip since the balanced power lines are isolated from Line and Neutral of the mains, so there should be no significant residual current flowing even if a low impedance path is created between a balanced line and protective ground (which is still needed btw).

Overcurrent protection of 13A (max) is still needed to protect the transformer.  Where this is placed is another question - before and after the transformer is certainly the safest option.  However personally I'd very much prefer to have the overcurrent device rated at 0.8x the current rating of the transformer.

Posted on: 21 June 2017 by NFG
Huge posted:

The answers given are electrically correct, however an RCD on a balanced supply should never trip since the balanced power lines are isolated from Line and Neutral of the mains, so there should be no significant residual current flowing even if a low impedance path is created between a balanced line and protective ground (which is still needed btw).

Overcurrent protection of 13A (max) is still needed to protect the transformer.  Where this is placed is another question - before and after the transformer is certainly the safest option.  However personally I'd very much prefer to have the overcurrent device rated at 0.8x the current rating of the transformer.

An RCD trips when an earth leakage occurs, the current in live & neutral should normally be equal. An earth on a live or neutral causes an inballance in the wheatstone bridge or current transformer monitoring current flow & tripping at preset current leakage - 30mA. So if you get your pinkies in the wrong place you'll just feel a tingle before the RCD clicks off - without such protection the electric shock would be more severe.

An RCD does not provide over-current protection hence the requirement for one. I dont think an RCD placed before the transformer on primary supply would work for a fault on the secondary side.

A smaller rated RCD will probably have smaller surface contact area in the switch - uncertain if that would affect sound & I'd follow the electricians advice for ratings & where to fit protection as the regulations & requirements differ, but 80% of the transformer rating sounds about right.