Uniti 2 into NAP 200?

Posted by: Tallan on 20 June 2017

Now that the new NAP 300DR is installed and singing oh SO sweetly the question is what to do with the NAP 200 (non DR) that it replaced.

In my upstairs study/guest bedroom I have a Uniti 2 (no BT) playing into DeVore 3XL speakers, and it sounds quite well.  But I notice the Uniti has a preamp out 4-pin DIN, and here I am with a NAP 200 with a 4-pin DIN in... 

The question is would the improvement in sound quality using the 200 instead of the built-in Uniti amp be worth the cost of not selling the NAP 200 on?  The amp is about 5 years old, in perfect condition, but not being the latest DR version I have no idea what it would bring here in the US.

Of course the obvious recommendation is to "try it and see (hear, actually) the difference," but I'm dealing with a very bad back and moving black boxes, especially amps, does it no good.  Has anyone tried the Uniti 2 into NAP 200 combination?  Thoughts or opinions?  The little devil on my left shoulder whispers "Even modest improvement in a seldom used system is a good thing," while the little angel on my right shoulder sings "save the money!"   or ??

 

Posted on: 20 June 2017 by spurrier sucks

Go with the devil! You only live once right? Can't take it with you. Indulge a little. Jokes aside it would be best to hear it for yourself to make that decision. Get a neighbor to move it for you if you have to. 

Posted on: 20 June 2017 by ChrisSU

Adding a 200 to my Superuniti did improve it, but not enough to justify its cost. I would only do it as a stepping stone to future upgrades, otherwise cash in your chips and use the money elsewhere. Of course, you might find things a little different with a Uniti 2 and different speakers.

Posted on: 20 June 2017 by Kiwi cat

I added a 200 to my Uniti 1 and there was a marked improvement in the clarity and precision of the music. The texture of the instruments much more delineated, bass notes were tighter.  It was a wonderful upgrade and I would recommend it, even though nominally there is not much more "power" over the existing Uniti amplifier.

Posted on: 20 June 2017 by Tallan
ChrisSU posted:

Adding a 200 to my Superuniti did improve it, but not enough to justify its cost. I would only do it as a stepping stone to future upgrades, otherwise cash in your chips and use the money elsewhere. Of course, you might find things a little different with a Uniti 2 and different speakers.

This is very interesting.  It's my understanding - please correct me if I'm wrong - that the SuperUniti and the SuperNait were both as close to Classic quality separates as Naim could build in one box, designed for people who required both simplicity and great SQ.  That being so I'm not surprised adding a 200 to your SU gave a bump, but not a big push, and makes me think that adding the 200 to my Uniti 2 would be a more noticeable step up.  Thanks!

Posted on: 20 June 2017 by Tallan
Kiwi cat posted:

I added a 200 to my Uniti 1 and there was a marked improvement in the clarity and precision of the music. The texture of the instruments much more delineated, bass notes were tighter.  It was a wonderful upgrade and I would recommend it, even though nominally there is not much more "power" over the existing Uniti amplifier.

Thanks for this - it's very encouraging.

Posted on: 20 June 2017 by Ardbeg10y
ChrisSU posted:

Adding a 200 to my Superuniti did improve it, but not enough to justify its cost. I would only do it as a stepping stone to future upgrades, otherwise cash in your chips and use the money elsewhere. Of course, you might find things a little different with a Uniti 2 and different speakers.

Precisely this on my Supernait too.

Posted on: 21 June 2017 by IWC Doppel

Interesting I have just built a system for my study Uniqute 2, nap 100 and Sonus Faber Concertinos. The upgrade the 100 offers over the Uniqute is marked. I play quite loud and I have just done a deal on a used 200 (Non DR) to experiment. 

Have you plugged it in yet !? don't forget to change the loudspeaker setting to none

Posted on: 21 June 2017 by Tallan
IWC Doppel posted:

 

Have you plugged it in yet !? don't forget to change the loudspeaker setting to none

Not yet, I'm waiting for new speaker cables for my main system then what I'm using there now can go with the NAP 200.  Thanks for the reminder about the loudspeaker setting!

Posted on: 21 June 2017 by timpd

Not entirely relevant but I have just added a 250-2 to my Uniti 2. I'm not sure why ,I was generally pleased with the sound before , just scratching an itch. I've spent too much time reading this forum!

It's early days but I have found the sound a bit meatier , different presentation but sometimes a bit  boomy. Swapping cables  over is bit of a faff and my musical memory is incredibky short so I'm not being very analytical. I think the standard Uniti is a cracking unit. 

Posted on: 28 June 2017 by timpd

After a couple of weeks with the 250 I have found it does add some extra heft and perhaps some detail to the Uniti 2 but at the cost of an annoying hum . I'm not convinced of it's  worth .  

Posted on: 28 June 2017 by IWC Doppel

I've had an interesting time listening to the Naim nap 200 vs nap 100 with my Uniqute 2

I'm still very much experimenting, they are similar but different

The nap 100 has superb poise, grip and tension, is a little more upper mid prominent and really musical. Has great bass separation and dynamics. The 100 can sound edgey at times and can be a little brash in complex pieces. Suggestions of compression as you go loud. Has real balls and delivers that sense of surprise that shows dynamics. It definitely makes music and I have enjoyed exploring music and getting distracted from comparing with this set up

The nap 200 has more, scale, bass weight and lower mid body, but is a little muddy in comparison. Has a greater sense of ease doesn't compress and vocals are smoother but is not quite as clean (dry ?) in the bass and loses a hint of poise because of this. The tonality is nice being richer and warmer, but without the transients that you get from the 100.

Right now if someone said keep one, I'd keep the 100. I think I am nearly concluded. I do end up going back to the 100 and appreciating the things it does well. I has more ‘balls’ and projection that do seem to bring the older Sonus Fabers to life, quite surprised really, I really don’t like bright systems, I wouldn't call either set up bright

It does look like the 100 will be a keeper,  The good news is it’s in my system adding a 100 transforms the system, swapping to the 200 changes and loses

Not sure what my next upgrade might be with my office system 

I am going to try some concertos and electa amators as I have them elsewhere just for reference 

Posted on: 28 June 2017 by nigelb

When I added some large floor standing speakers I felt my Uniti 2 was struggling so added a 200 which improved things considerably. There is an argument however that the Uniti 2 was then struggling to do justice to the 200. So I later upgraded to separate streamer and pre amp. But if you have the 200 going spare and might not get much for it secondhand, then putting it on your Uniti 2 does make sense. 

When your back is better give it a listen, you might be pleasantly surprised.

Posted on: 28 June 2017 by Tallan

Thanks, this is a very useful perspective.  I'll be adding the 200 soon.

Posted on: 10 July 2017 by JedT

When I was first contemplating going down the streaming route on my main system I experimented with plugging a Uniqute (second system) into a 180. I was very impressed, thought it was clearly better than my CD3.5/Hicap/102/180.

I currently use the 180 biamped with a SU and linn majik isos. If I replace the 180 with a 250, I'll probably use the 180 with the Unitiqute.