Supercap DR

An interesting move might be for you to exchange your 282 super cap with an already dr 252 combination. Dr as such is still a significant upgrade - so if your endgame is 282, still do it...

Hi Bert, thanks for the insight. Words of wisdom indeed. Checked out your system. Incredible. As for my endgame, I think like for most on here it is an ever shifting sand.

Bert Schurink posted:

An interesting move might be for you to exchange your 282 super cap with an already dr 252 combination. Dr as such is still a significant upgrade - so if your endgame is 282, still do it...

Makes sense to me, the common denominator is usually the Dollar!

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Political Satire, at it's Best!

Bert Schurink posted:

Keep up the good work!

Allante93!

I went from 282/HiCap (non DR) to Supercap DR and then to 252. My plan was to upgrade to 252 so when a good deal came up on a Supercap DR I took it and have to say it was a great improvement over the Hicap with the 282.

I also went from a 250.2 to 250DR and that was a significant improvement in so many areas. Was it more significant than HiCap to SupercapDR? Difficult to say because these events were at different times and different stages of my evolving system. Would DRing your Supercap be as worthwhile as when you DRd your 250? Impossible for me to say.

I do think that DRing your Supercap makes more sense and is easier to justify if you plan to swap the 282 for a 252. This was the least financially painful upgrade for me as I traded in my pre loved (before me) 282 for a pre loved 252 of about the same vintage. So not much cash needed to change hands.

Is the 252 better than the 282. IMHO very much so (especially with a SupercapDR) but this is one of the most hotly debated topics on here. 

And when you decide to upgrade to 552 territory, I'll be more than happy to take that Dred SC off your hands!

You guys are making to much sense!

Allante93!

Cyclo,

I've taken a peek at your system profile and, good though a SCDR is, I reckon you should park any such black box upgrades for now and concentrate on upping your front end. The old maxim 'source first' is still so true.

It depends a bit on whether you play LP or CD most. I am not familiar with your CD player. I do know even older Naim players like CDSII, and CDS3 are lovely, and not mad expensive.

But your record deck looks like it would benefit from a 'tickle'. Not sure if you have Keel or not. Its a must. And Radikal is a major step over Lingo. The Linto is nice but you would love a Superline, or Urika for that matter. I bought my LP12 for £995 in 1993 and would rather not know how much I've spent on it since. I always suffer buyers remorse after every upgrade for a while, but deck upgrades have been the quickest to get over. I did them all one by one, bit by bit - Cirkus bearing, Keel, Ittok to Ekos, Ekos to Ekos SE, Linn K9 cart to Klyde, to Akiva, Valhalla to Lingo, to Radikal, Linto to Superline to Urika. Not necessarily in that order and I may have missed some. Fun journey. 

I think you might just find most everything you want by improving the deck, and maybe the CD player. You may be amazed how much more music you hear.

Happy listening.

mrclick posted:

Cyclo,

I've taken a peek at your system profile and, good though a SCDR is, I reckon you should park any such black box upgrades for now and concentrate on upping your front end. The old maxim 'source first' is still so true.

It depends a bit on whether you play LP or CD most. I am not familiar with your CD player. I do know even older Naim players like CDSII, and CDS3 are lovely, and not mad expensive.

But your record deck looks like it would benefit from a 'tickle'. Not sure if you have Keel or not. Its a must. And Radikal is a major step over Lingo. The Linto is nice but you would love a Superline, or Urika for that matter. I bought my LP12 for £995 in 1993 and would rather not know how much I've spent on it since. I always suffer buyers remorse after every upgrade for a while, but deck upgrades have been the quickest to get over. I did them all one by one, bit by bit - Cirkus bearing, Keel, Ittok to Ekos, Ekos to Ekos SE, Linn K9 cart to Klyde, to Akiva, Valhalla to Lingo, to Radikal, Linto to Superline to Urika. Not necessarily in that order and I may have missed some. Fun journey. 

I think you might just find most everything you want by improving the deck, and maybe the CD player. You may be amazed how much more music you hear.

Happy listening.

 

Wow, Mr Click, took at Peep at your Profile! 

The more things change the more they stay the same! 

Linn/Naim Merger. 

Linn Front End ~ LP 12

Naim Middle 

Linn Back ~ End

A New Paradigm, No longer just TT, or CD, But all Three depending on Mode & Music! Hint! 

Your Front End is Loaded, not to mention Naim's Reference CDP, but Question if you don't Mind! 

Do you Ever Get Tired of Listening to the those  Colorful Briks???????

Allante93! 

Yes, they're the next on the list for change!

mrclick posted:

Yes, they're the next on the list for change!

 

That'll be a costly change. I feel you have to spend serious money on speakers to better the old Brik. Of course if the drivers are tired then that might not be quite true.

Marksnaim posted:

mrclick posted:

Yes, they're the next on the list for change!

 

That'll be a costly change. I feel you have to spend serious money on speakers to better the old Brik. Of course if the drivers are tired then that might not be quite true.

Perhaps Mr Click is saying, next on the list, when A Speaker hits the Market, less than 30K that catches his attention!

There lies the Problem, why invest in crossover technology, when it will be discarded.

Now Lawrence Dickie, @ Vivid Audio realizes that the purist route is directly to the drivers, avoiding phase distortion, that is incumbent  even in the most expensive Speakers on the Market!

Unfortunately, there isn't a Market for an Active Speaker only, Manufacturers are forced to produce Passive Speakers only.

Hence, the Active Club is forced to deal with the Golden Age of Speakers.

SL2s, Briks, Dibbles, 

30K is a lot for 808s and 800s, when the XO, has been removed from the equation.

Don't look for Mr.Click to posting a new thread, on his new Speakers, anytime in the near future!

Maybe I read him wrong, but that's what I got coming from one Brikie to another!

Allante93!

PS. We've walked the Same path from the late Eighties, only Difference, I didn't want to invest in my LP 12, and took the Cdx2 route.

But, if I had the Cash, my sources, would be identical, to Mr. Clicks!

mrclick posted:

Cyclo,

I've taken a peek at your system profile and, good though a SCDR is, I reckon you should park any such black box upgrades for now and concentrate on upping your front end. The old maxim 'source first' is still so true.

It depends a bit on whether you play LP or CD most. I am not familiar with your CD player. I do know even older Naim players like CDSII, and CDS3 are lovely, and not mad expensive.

But your record deck looks like it would benefit from a 'tickle'. Not sure if you have Keel or not. Its a must. And Radikal is a major step over Lingo. The Linto is nice but you would love a Superline, or Urika for that matter. I bought my LP12 for £995 in 1993 and would rather not know how much I've spent on it since. I always suffer buyers remorse after every upgrade for a while, but deck upgrades have been the quickest to get over. I did them all one by one, bit by bit - Cirkus bearing, Keel, Ittok to Ekos, Ekos to Ekos SE, Linn K9 cart to Klyde, to Akiva, Valhalla to Lingo, to Radikal, Linto to Superline to Urika. Not necessarily in that order and I may have missed some. Fun journey. 

I think you might just find most everything you want by improving the deck, and maybe the CD player. You may be amazed how much more music you hear.

Happy listening.

 

Actually the cd player is pretty good. Sound signature more aligned to cds3 than cdx2. Very fluid but not at the expense of detail or resolution. As for the Lp12 it will be treated to a Krystal in the near future after I managed to damage the Dynavector.  Not sure I can justify Keel, Radikal etc I just don't have a big enough record collection.

The advice on DRing my Supercap has been very sound. It seems it would be a great upgrade in itself but make much more sense if I was also looking at a 252. To be honest I have never actally heard one so perhaps that needs to be remedied.

I am still seeing it mentioned that some don't like the SCDR on a 282 but it is mentioned in passing without any real reasons as to why this should be.

Mike

Good stuff Cyclo, sounds like you have a plan.

Marksnaim, spot on point re the briks. I have had mine since 1998 and still enjoy them very much. I could be accused of many things but being 'flighty' over speaker choice isn't one. I've looked after them with kid gloves and they are in lovely condition. Best thing I ever did was to go active with them.

Hence your point, and the conundrum. I paid £900 for them and its galling that to improve that would cost ten to twenty times that. And to justify that would need a 500 spec power amp. Its eyewatering money. So I shall take my time. One option I'm pondering is to change my olive 250s for what you have. I'm sure its much better. But it takes me deeper down the brik road, and makes it even harder to then come back and do something passive with other speakers. So I will see what they sound like passive on the end of a 500DR first. Their major weakness is the crossover.

I just fancy one final speaker change for a different voicing but haven't decided yet. Perhaps I should mull it over for another 20 years and enjoy the tunes along the way.

cyclo posted:

Having just DRrd my 250 and enjoying the investment I am considering the same for the Supercap. I will of course try to audition but just curious about peoples thoughts . Does anyone regard it as a lesser investment than DRing the 250 or even regret it. Perhaps the outlay would give a better return elsewhere in the system.

Apologies to Daren for wandering off topic on his thread.

Regards 

Mike

Well my opinion is that the DRing of the NACs has a massive influence on the perceived perfance on those components... to my ears significantly more than the power amps... but I suspect with the low noise discrete regulating of the power amps other factors are at play.. as the 250 has always been discretely regulated...

DR ing is certainly worthwhile. I have no regrets. As to where to spend funds first, source first is well founded logic.