A Pensioner Goes Mainstream (or should that be Naimstream)!

Posted by: Derek C on 28 June 2017

I am submitting this post to perhaps help other people who may have considered following the streaming route but still have doubts due to a lack of understanding and are put off by all the jargon surrounding the subject, which appears to make the whole process far more complicated than it actually is.

First though, after reading so much rubbish on the forum, I would like to make the point that the Uniti Core is exactly how Naim describe it, i.e. a ripper/server or hard disc player. There seems to be a considerable number of people on this site who expect it to do more than it was ever meant to for whatever reasons best known to themselves, to my mind, akin to somebody buying a CD player and then exclaiming disappointment when they discover that it won’t actually play vinyl records aswell!

Secondly, I am not a computer expert (though, I do have an Apple iMac and can usually do or work out how to do what I want with relative ease myself) and view my hi-fi system as a hi-fi system not as an extension to a computer network. To me, they are totally separate things.

Having been totally committed to vinyl replay as my primary source for many years, with CD almost being considered the secondary format because I found on most occasions (but not all) that music generally sounded better via the analogue chain. Additionally, I had attended a fair number of events organised by my trusted dealer, Acoustica, over recent years where more often than not streamed music was being used for demonstration purposes but had always failed to convince me because the same tracks or albums being played always sounded more musical on my system at home whether from vinyl or CD but with hindsight, I think that the reason may have been largely due to speaker choice, which of course is a different and very subjective matter anyway and I didn’t really relish the thought of ripping (or copying, for those who prefer plain English) my entire CD collection onto some sort of ‘machine’.

Now, I don’t know whether this was partly due to ‘grumpy old man syndrome’ setting in but I was becoming increasingly annoyed and frustrated about the palaver necessary in playing vinyl albums and the unnatural break to the flow and emotional connection to the music which is caused by having to get up every few minutes and change the sides of records etc. (with the music having already restarted, as is usual, by the time I had regained my seat). This prompted me to wonder about the possibility of upgrading my CD5XS and nDac at some point, so for me, Naim couldn’t have timed the launch of the Uniti Core better. After reading the information which had been released by Naim, I began to realise there could well be some potential in substituting the CD5XS with the Core and eventually arranged a demo at Acoustica in Chester Geoff and Pete set up a system similar to mine at home (same amps and DAC but with different speakers), we used a CDX2.2 for comparison purposes due to a CD5XS not being available at the time and ripped a few familiar CD’s onto the Core, so that I could compare the difference between both versions of the same albums. It was immediately obvious to me that the sound quality was superior via the Core and the additional detail being conveyed was really quite stunning and consequently arranged a home installation of a new Core fitted with a 2TB hard drive by Pete a couple days later feeding my existing nDac via DC1 cable together with a 15 metre length Chord C-stream ethernet cable enabling connection to my BT broadband hub which is located at the opposite end of the room to where the hi-fi system is. Due to the delay in releasing the android version of the new Naim app, Pete also lent me a ‘spare’ iPhone to use as the remote control, which was subsequently replaced by an iPad Mini 2 which I bought directly from Apple. I spent a few hours short of a whole week ripping my 935 CD’s onto the Core, which was less time than I had first anticipated or feared, after which I was able to just relax and enjoy the fruits of my labour and to say that I was impressed with the results would be a gross understatement. From that moment on, apart from the very occasional comparison, I stopped playing vinyl records altogether, it was that good! I then began to wonder whether I could eventually make even further improvements by adding a 555DR power supply to the nDac or perhaps following the full streaming route with an NDX/XPS DR. Like most, I am not in a position to just go out and buy anything at will so during the next couple of months I deliberated over different potential but financially realistic options which culminated in a plan to make any changes self-financing but first I needed to confirm which route I should take and therefore, once again, arranged a demo at Acoustica, comparing the nDAC/555DR PS with an NDX/XPS DR, the difference was like night and day, the NDX/XPS DR combination sounded far more musical. So the final plan had evolved into trading in my Rega RP10/Apheta 2, Superline with Supercap DR, nDAC, NAT05XS and 2 x 6 shelf Quadraspire Q4 EVO racks (because with the passage of time I found them less visually pleasing) for a new NDX, XPS DR, another 15 metre length Chord C-stream cable to connect to the BT hub and a 7 level Fraimlite rack while also selling my entire record collection. In addition to this, I have also bought a self-powered Seagate external hard disc drive which I connect to the Core via the front USB socket for back-up purposes and then can be disconnected and stored away in between any back-up sessions and therefore not ‘wearing out’ through continuous running, which to me, seems the simplest, safest and most secure method of performing this crucial task. The first back-up, encompassing the previously mentioned 935 CD’s, took about 8 hours and have since backed up again after increasing my CD collection and the Naim app update incorporating the excellent metadata editing function (back-ups are incremental, so only took a few minutes this time because it is only having to copy any new data i.e. music or artwork etc. which has been added since the previous back-up).

I have to add that this decision was not taken lightly because I did realise of course that there was absolutely no chance of going back! Another couple of months on, would I want to go back? No. Do I have any regrets? Absolutely none.

The whole system works so seamlessly and perfectly and has been life changing while also quite liberating in a way including reducing the ‘box count’ by five. Also, possibly because I only use the radio for casual listening, I have found that the internet broadcasts to be more than acceptable. Although I am used to using a computer, as I said earlier, I am not a expert and a lot of the seemingly nonsensical jargon means nothing to me but I’ve had no problems at all in understanding and implementing the evolution of my system to where it now stands, probably because I have approached it from a hi-fi perspective and what the new components actually offer in sound reproduction terms.

Finally, in defence of the Unit Core and the new Naim App and to counterbalance the sometimes venomous comments made by a few on this forum, I have to say that I just do not understand where they are coming from because it seems to me there could not be a more perfect or simpler method of delivering exceedingly high quality sound in a highly convenient manner which is not beyond the comprehension of the average music lover. I am a music lover and I love it!

Posted on: 28 June 2017 by nigelb

Derek, congratulations on your move to streaming and nice job in cutting through the jargon (or should I say c**p).

I am sure many are put off moving to streaming by technophobia, which is a real shame. Like you, I am no techie but with the help of my dealer (and occasionally this forum) I managed it. Naim customer support are also very helpful when you hit a brick wall. Again like you I have no regrets leaving vinyl and CD behind. Hopefully your words will encourage others who might be hesitating. There are some great Naim dealers out there who are very happy to help, advise and guide. 

Posted on: 28 June 2017 by Derek C

Well done and said Nigel and many thanks.

Posted on: 28 June 2017 by Derek C

PS. As an added bonus, I have noticed that the system doesn't seem to attract dust anymore!

Posted on: 28 June 2017 by ChrisSU

Nice write-up, Derek. I made a similar jump, directly from vinyl to streaming, and have no regrets. LP was always my medium of choice, but unlike some, I have no affection for the discs themselves, the ritual of queueing and changing sides, the dust, etc. After a brief dalliance with a Mac & DAC, which seemed like a bit of a faff, I went for a Unitiserve & Superuniti, now replaced by an NDX. The LP12 is sold, and there's no going back for me either. I've always preferred the simplicity of a single source system, and disliked living in a room full of plastic discs (of any size and colour) so streaming is the answer for me, too.

Posted on: 28 June 2017 by Bert Schurink

A nice a different from the usual write up. I wouldn't belief that people with a Vinyl heart would say goodbye,.......

Enjoy your new system.

Posted on: 29 June 2017 by Huge

I love the tread title.  On retiring I knew I was going to be listening to music a lot more, so that's when I bought a Naim system, and yes a streaming system after many years of spinning little silver discs.  That system was an ND5 XS + Nait XS 2...  Somehow that's now morphed into a 272 / 555PS(DR) + 300(DR)!

I also use an external disk for backup, connected to my NAS, but I also have a USB SSD that I use for off-site backup (it lives in my car).

Also no regrets at all from another Pensioner gone MainSTREAM!

Posted on: 29 June 2017 by Sloop John B

another reason to look forward to retirement then....

 

.sjb

Posted on: 29 June 2017 by Huge

If you can afford it and have plenty to do I can thoroughly recommend it!

Posted on: 29 June 2017 by The Strat (Fender)

Derek,

Excellent write-up, so glad the change has worked out.  I'm also glad that the UnitiC is working well after all the negative stuff that has been written on here and elsewhere.

Regards,

Lindsay

Posted on: 29 June 2017 by Pcd

Derek, nice write up I'm coming up to retirement age but fortunately I was able to fully retire a couple of years ago and like you are at the age where I struggle with computers apart from the very basics.

I sold my LP12 and records about 10 years ago sticking with CDs I dabbled with streaming using a NAS and third party streamer into a Olive system but always struggled with the NAS side this was OK whilst I was working as I could get one of the IT boys out to sort for a couple of bottles of wine. 

Changing the third party streamer for a NDX a couple of years ago brought a massive uplift in sound quality and led me to looking to upgrade my Olive system after a couple of dealer demonstrations  my new system was installed 12 months ago and  the electronics are the same as your system.

I added a Core about four months ago after listening and discussing what it would and wouldn't do with my dealer and must entirely agree with your other comments regarding the Core. One thing it is totally silent in operation apart from when  ripping and I haven't had to relocated it to another part of the Planet due to noise issues when listening to music

Do I miss vinyl and CDs not one bit in fact I've said on numerous occasions on the Forum since switching to a streaming system I have bought considerably more music and a much wider genre than ever before in fact four Cds turned up this morning and they've already been Cored.

Enjoy your music and keep on ripping by the way the system looks nice.

Posted on: 29 June 2017 by ChrisH

Yep, have to agree with all above, many congratulations Derek, glad you gave it a go. It really shows the benefit of having a great dealer who can really demonstrate the abilities of different kit for their customers (eg. Core) or else you might have been put off in the first place.

Posted on: 30 June 2017 by Derek C

Many thanks to all those who have contributed to this thread and their kind comments, it's good to hear about the experiences of others and that I am not alone in my thoughts and findings. As PCD mentioned, I can confirm that the Core sits silently and unobtrusively on the middle shelf of my Fraimlite rack feeding data to the NDX/XPS DR/NAC252/Supercap DR/NAP300 DR which is transformed into wonderful music through the Linn Majik Isobarik speakers. I would have attached a photo of the system to the posting if I knew how to but for those who maybe interested, I have photographs attached to my profile page.

Best wishes to all.

Posted on: 30 June 2017 by Richard Dane

Derek,

See the FAQ for instructions on how to post pictures on here.  Note you will need to have an online host for them - like  Flikr, Photobucket etc..

Posted on: 30 June 2017 by nickpeacock
Richard Dane posted:

Derek,

See the FAQ for instructions on how to post pictures on here.  Note you will need to have an online host for them - like  Flikr, Photobucket etc..

[@mention:38031791544646583] - see also this current thread: https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...42#70835623993986742

Posted on: 30 June 2017 by Derek C

Many thanks Richard, I'll investigate but it seems strange to me that I can attach pictures which are stored on my iMac to my profile page very straightforwardly but not when conducting a posting. 

Posted on: 30 June 2017 by Richard Dane

Derek,

it's to reduce bandwidth consumption - it all adds up to the cost that Naim have to pay to run the forum.  It's usually free for each member to use their own image host.

Posted on: 30 June 2017 by Derek C

Thanks Richard, I understand but having had a quick look at the options I'm not keen on the idea of involving a third party which potentially opens the door to other issues including those surrounding security.

Posted on: 30 June 2017 by Derek C

An incidental point to my original post and the external HDD to which I referred, this was bought specifically for backing up all the music on the Core only and keep a separate unit for backing up my computer.

Posted on: 30 June 2017 by Peakman

Hi Derek

As another Naim and hillwalking enthusiast, and pensioner customer of Acoustica, may I take this opportunity to wish you a long and fulfilling retirement.  With your excellent new system, I am sure you will have many happy hours listening to music, which is what it's all about after all.

By the way, I love the pictures on your profile page.  They remind me of happy times Munro-bagging in the Highlands.

Roger

Posted on: 30 June 2017 by ChrisH

Looks like a lovely room and system too Derek - enjoy!

Posted on: 30 June 2017 by Rayz4

I start streaming from monday with with new dac v1 and uniti core added to supernait 2 project extension 10 evolution ortofon quintet black mc cartridge kef r700. I really can't bring myself to part with the viynl, all 1100 albums plus the 600 odd cds.

Posted on: 30 June 2017 by trickydickie

Great story, thanks for sharing.  I regularly question whether I should retain my vinyl setup too.  How did you go about selling your vinyl?

I'm very interested that you found the NDX/XPS combination better than the NDAC/555DR as the latter is normally considered a significant upgrade over the NDX.  As an NDX owner it's another question I sometimes pose to myself if I were to upgrade would an XPS make more sense than an NDX, but I wouldn't really want a 3 box source.

Having said all that the NDX bare sounds pretty marvellous and I like going on holiday as well!

Richard

Posted on: 01 July 2017 by Derek C

Roger and Chris, I appreciate your compliments and best wishes, thank you so much and yes I am thoroughly enjoying my music more than ever.

Roger, I don't know whether you attend Acousica's annual show or any other events but if you do, it would be nice to 'bump' into you for a chat if the opportunity arises. Unfortunately, I missed the show held at the Doubletree by Hilton this year due to being away at the time.

RAYZ4, Good luck with your endeavours and by the way, I didn't sell my CD collection and also continue to add more albums which I immediately 'rip' onto the Core, after which they are 'filed' away with the rest in the living room. Obviously, they require far less space than records (my vinyl collection was a similar size to yours).

Richard, at the time of the demo I was quite underwhelmed by the sound through the nDAC/555PS DR and was shocked after reading so many positive comments about the combination and therefore, was totally unexpected but within seconds of hearing the NDX/XPS DR, I knew that was the route to take, it was far more 'musical', there really was a stark contrast between the two, which once again underlines the benefits of having access to an excellent dealership who offer meaningful demonstrations and advice when needed. With regard to selling my record collection, I made contact with a record shop in the local area and the owner made two visits to my home to assess the value and we came to an agreement over the price, after which, he made a third visit to pick up the records and make payment.

 

Posted on: 01 July 2017 by living in lancs yearning for yorks

Nice write up, Derek! Good to hear that you have achieved a great result. I started streaming about 3-4 years ago - I have the predecessor to the core (unitiserve? So much better than using a qnap and ripping software - what a pain that was!) and currently an nd5sx (being replaced by an NDS in the next few days, whoop!) powered by 555 (non dr). I do need to get the network sorted somehow...

I have in the past had the same views as you about vinyl - not been something I have enjoyed what with all the faff (and considers getting rid of the turntable and records), but recently have started to enjoy it again (though much of my vinyl is poor quality, sadly). Getting the NDS might upset that again!

Posted on: 03 July 2017 by Peakman
Derek C posted:

Roger and Chris, I appreciate your compliments and best wishes, thank you so much and yes I am thoroughly enjoying my music more than ever.

Roger, I don't know whether you attend Acousica's annual show or any other events but if you do, it would be nice to 'bump' into you for a chat if the opportunity arises. Unfortunately, I missed the show held at the Doubletree by Hilton this year due to being away at the time.

RAYZ4, Good luck with your endeavours and by the way, I didn't sell my CD collection and also continue to add more albums which I immediately 'rip' onto the Core, after which they are 'filed' away with the rest in the living room. Obviously, they require far less space than records (my vinyl collection was a similar size to yours).

Richard, at the time of the demo I was quite underwhelmed by the sound through the nDAC/555PS DR and was shocked after reading so many positive comments about the combination and therefore, was totally unexpected but within seconds of hearing the NDX/XPS DR, I knew that was the route to take, it was far more 'musical', there really was a stark contrast between the two, which once again underlines the benefits of having access to an excellent dealership who offer meaningful demonstrations and advice when needed. With regard to selling my record collection, I made contact with a record shop in the local area and the owner made two visits to my home to assess the value and we came to an agreement over the price, after which, he made a third visit to pick up the records and make payment.

 

Hi Derek

Sorry for the delay in replying.  Yes I have been to the last two Acoustica shows.  Last year I made the mistake (for my wallet!) of listening to a 272-based system and although this year's attendance did not lead to new boxes, I did post a brief write-up of my impressions of this year's show on this forum.  If I'm around in March next year I would be likely to attend and it would be good to meet up for a chat.

Roger