Porsche N.A. flat six vs new turbo flat 4

Tony Lockhart posted:

DBS-Al posted:

Hungryhalibut,

VW Up!  Great little car, my friends daughter has one. Driven it a few times and found it comfortable, relatively quiet and roomier than you might think, the usual high standard of finish you'd expect from VW so no rattles or squeaks. I was rather impressed with it 

A current VW with decent build quality? Shhhh, don't tell VW, they'll want to give it a recall to bring it down to the usual standard. 

Our VW Touran gave up after 120000 miles so we just bought a new one. No complaints so far.

G

DBS-Al posted:

That is one tidy looking Stag Bruce.

Thanks, and now looking even finer with newly covered leather seats and re-veneered dash after a few days of DIY in my garage.

45yrs old and in better nick than it's only slightly older owner!

Bruce

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

 Nothing beats the sound of a V8 in my book.

Agree with that one Bruce!

GraemeH posted:

Tony Lockhart posted:

DBS-Al posted:

Hungryhalibut,

VW Up!  Great little car, my friends daughter has one. Driven it a few times and found it comfortable, relatively quiet and roomier than you might think, the usual high standard of finish you'd expect from VW so no rattles or squeaks. I was rather impressed with it 

A current VW with decent build quality? Shhhh, don't tell VW, they'll want to give it a recall to bring it down to the usual standard. 

Our VW Touran gave up after 120000 miles so we just bought a new one. No complaints so far.

G

I'd be very disappointed with any car from the last thirty years that only lasted 120k miles. What happened to it?

tonym posted:

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

 Nothing beats the sound of a V8 in my book.

Agree with that one Bruce!

Sorry not my cup  of tea.

For me V8 engines are meant to be  flat plane crank a la Ferrari & Mc Laren, i really don't like the burbling and off beat sound of normal V8s.

Regards

Roberto

Resurrection posted:

Of course all this macho Porsche stuff dors not come cheap. A service, admittedly with spark plugs replaced, but that's about it, cost me £1,000. Road tax is £285. Tyres are £250 a pop  if you're lucky, but Insurance, which I have just renewed, was £224 for myself, my wife and my sons fully comprehensive.

And the latest expense has been replacement garage doors as the bolt connecting the side the Porsche inhabits has sheared from the fibreglass door itself. Of course the new ones have to be power driven. In fact the Porsche is stuck in there at the moment  while I await door installation because I am nervous about the broken one landing on top of it 

Still, the 8 year old BMW 325D just runs and runs at a continuous 36 mpg and never sees the inside of the garage as its side is where all the gardening gear lives.

I think service cost is pretty reasonable, i just payed 1200 euro for major service (4 years) Porsches are usually meant to be serviced every 2 years  while a lotus needs a service every year or 16000 km.

Which Cayaman do you own 987, 981 ?

Regards

Roberto

rsch posted:

Resurrection posted:

Of course all this macho Porsche stuff dors not come cheap. A service, admittedly with spark plugs replaced, but that's about it, cost me £1,000. Road tax is £285. Tyres are £250 a pop  if you're lucky, but Insurance, which I have just renewed, was £224 for myself, my wife and my sons fully comprehensive.

And the latest expense has been replacement garage doors as the bolt connecting the side the Porsche inhabits has sheared from the fibreglass door itself. Of course the new ones have to be power driven. In fact the Porsche is stuck in there at the moment  while I await door installation because I am nervous about the broken one landing on top of it 

Still, the 8 year old BMW 325D just runs and runs at a continuous 36 mpg and never sees the inside of the garage as its side is where all the gardening gear lives.

I think service cost is pretty reasonable, i just payed 1200 euro for major service (4 years) Porsches are usually meant to be serviced every 2 years  while a lotus needs a service every year or 16000 km.

Which Cayaman do you own 987, 981 ?

Regards

Roberto

Mine is  the 981S , 3.4 litre with sports exhaust, PDK and 20" wheels but no PASM. TBH this was its first service I have had to pay for and they are every 20,000 miles. When you consider what you have to pay for the car the service is a relatively small percentage. Service is good though. They sent me a film of what they were checking and gave me the Cayenne for the whole day. 

Just ditch the Porsche and get a proper car...

May be an Elise 250 Cup

Regards

Roberto

totemphile posted:

Just ditch the Porsche and get a proper car...

 

That's nice. No suggestions, just a negative comment about a great car. Thanks for the contribution.  

i have been very happy with my 6 speed 2006 997.1 4S with Power Kit.   I much prefer the normally aspirated Porsches.  You have to go all the way up to the GT3's to get one now.   You can afford the car and the gas for it is at a cyclical low now.    The world is awash in crude oil!  It is a shame that the Porsche owner can get almost any option in a built to order 991, except a normally aspirated engine.  You have the regulators to thank.  Who are they to  deny the customer what he wants?

Tony Lockhart posted:

GraemeH posted:

Tony Lockhart posted:

DBS-Al posted:

Hungryhalibut,

VW Up!  Great little car, my friends daughter has one. Driven it a few times and found it comfortable, relatively quiet and roomier than you might think, the usual high standard of finish you'd expect from VW so no rattles or squeaks. I was rather impressed with it 

A current VW with decent build quality? Shhhh, don't tell VW, they'll want to give it a recall to bring it down to the usual standard. 

Our VW Touran gave up after 120000 miles so we just bought a new one. No complaints so far.

G

I'd be very disappointed with any car from the last thirty years that only lasted 120k miles. What happened to it?

One damn thing after another...new clutch...then gearbox...then...new car. Was a 2006 model.

G

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

MDS posted:

DBS-Al posted:

I agree with MDS above,  smaller engines with a turbo on, less emissions and better economy. It's the way things seem to be going. The wife of a good friend of mine drives a VW Polo 1.2  ( 2011 ) and it takes it about 3 weeks to get to 60mph. That's all well and good until you need to overtake something for whatever reason. She really has to rev it to get anywhere and because of that the economy suffers, a chap down the road from me has a Skoda Yeti 1.2 turbo. Same story. Another bloke near me has an old BMW 5 series which chucks out more exhaust fumes than you could imagine and yet I pay a premium in road tax for my Aston DBS and similarly for the wife's Audi RS6. So how is that fair ?

The sound of a DBS's engine, ah! I could listen to that delightful growl all day  

My car just burbled/roared all the way down to Essex and back this week during a few days off. Never missed a beat (or a petrol station). Nothing beats the sound of a V8 in my book.

As a 1972 car I pay no road tax-which is probably very good news as I dread to think of the C02 emissions!

Lovely Stag, Bruce. That and the rapid, but head-gasket-blowing, Dolomite Sprint were two very covetable and classy Triumphs.

MDS posted:

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

MDS posted:

DBS-Al posted:

I agree with MDS above,  smaller engines with a turbo on, less emissions and better economy. It's the way things seem to be going. The wife of a good friend of mine drives a VW Polo 1.2  ( 2011 ) and it takes it about 3 weeks to get to 60mph. That's all well and good until you need to overtake something for whatever reason. She really has to rev it to get anywhere and because of that the economy suffers, a chap down the road from me has a Skoda Yeti 1.2 turbo. Same story. Another bloke near me has an old BMW 5 series which chucks out more exhaust fumes than you could imagine and yet I pay a premium in road tax for my Aston DBS and similarly for the wife's Audi RS6. So how is that fair ?

The sound of a DBS's engine, ah! I could listen to that delightful growl all day  

My car just burbled/roared all the way down to Essex and back this week during a few days off. Never missed a beat (or a petrol station). Nothing beats the sound of a V8 in my book.

As a 1972 car I pay no road tax-which is probably very good news as I dread to think of the C02 emissions!

Lovely Stag, Bruce. That and the rapid, but head-gasket-blowing, Dolomite Sprint were two very covetable and classy Triumphs.

And, of course,the TR6.

Resurrection posted:

rsch posted:

Mine is  the 981S , 3.4 litre with sports exhaust, PDK and 20" wheels but no PASM. TBH this was its first service I have had to pay for and they are every 20,000 miles. When you consider what you have to pay for the car the service is a relatively small percentage. Service is good though. They sent me a film of what they were checking and gave me the Cayenne for the whole day. 

 

Resurrection posted:

Mine is  the 981S , 3.4 litre with sports exhaust, PDK and 20" wheels but no PASM. TBH this was its first service I have had to pay for and they are every 20,000 miles. When you consider what you have to pay for the car the service is a relatively small percentage. Service is good though. They sent me a film of what they were checking and gave me the Cayenne for the whole day. 

Great car indeed but why not PASM (like a great part out there btw) I think that PASM, Sport Chrono, PTV and sport exhaust are mandatory on these cars.

I agree  with you about service cost is quite reasonable, my  Porsche centre (Ebimotors) which also specialize in motorsport service and have their own team, delivered my car  just serviced right to my door by their P.R. guy. Great service indeed.

Regards

Roberto

Tony Lockhart posted:

totemphile posted:

Just ditch the Porsche and get a proper car...

 

That's nice. No suggestions, just a negative comment about a great car. Thanks for the contribution.  

Absolutely ! I' wandering which finer car than Porsche Mr. Totemphile is driving or suggesting. Mc Laren or Ferrari Perhaps ?

Regards

Roberto

rsch posted:

Resurrection posted:

rsch posted:

Mine is  the 981S , 3.4 litre with sports exhaust, PDK and 20" wheels but no PASM. TBH this was its first service I have had to pay for and they are every 20,000 miles. When you consider what you have to pay for the car the service is a relatively small percentage. Service is good though. They sent me a film of what they were checking and gave me the Cayenne for the whole day. 

 

Resurrection posted:

Mine is  the 981S , 3.4 litre with sports exhaust, PDK and 20" wheels but no PASM. TBH this was its first service I have had to pay for and they are every 20,000 miles. When you consider what you have to pay for the car the service is a relatively small percentage. Service is good though. They sent me a film of what they were checking and gave me the Cayenne for the whole day. 

Great car indeed but why not PASM (like a great part out there btw) I think that PASM, Sport Chrono, PTV and sport exhaust are mandatory on these cars.

I agree  with you about service cost is quite reasonable, my  Porsche centre (Ebimotors) which also specialize in motorsport service and have their own team, delivered my car  just serviced right to my door by their P.R. guy. Great service indeed.

Regards

Roberto

They are only mandatory if the original owner specified them. What really happened was that I had placed an order for a Macan Turbo and was told there was a two year waiting list. This I did not believe, but eventually got sick of waiting and cancelled it.

My plan had been to replace the BMW with the Macan as we had never had two cars on the drive for years, and never really felt the need. Then I saw the guards red Cayman S at the Porsche dealership. My wife said she like it because it was red so we bought it and now have  two cars on the drive, neither with PASM.

OK, great car btw.

I' ve also gone for this pre owned one, i have it from 2 weeks now, i don't know yet if it will stay with me for 1 or 2 years or eventually order a new 718 early next year, basically to have a car specified excatly how i like it.

Regards

Roberto

Tony Lockhart posted:

totemphile posted:

Just ditch the Porsche and get a proper car...

 

That's nice. No suggestions, just a negative comment about a great car. Thanks for the contribution.  

You're welcome...

As to Porsche, never liked the brand and the image that goes with it.

Maybe spend the money on a refugee project or another good cause instead. How's that for a positive contribution?

If you are not interested in cars and don't have good arguments about this post,  you' d be better to write in other sections of the forum.

Regards

Roberto

totemphile posted:

Tony Lockhart posted:

totemphile posted:

Just ditch the Porsche and get a proper car...

 

That's nice. No suggestions, just a negative comment about a great car. Thanks for the contribution.  

You're welcome...

As to Porsche, never liked the brand and the image that goes with it.

Maybe spend the money on a refugee project or another good cause instead. How's that for a positive contribution?

 

Then I guess we'd all do well with a Panasonic stereo and ditch the expensive Naim gear to help the cause too.

As a wise and good man is reported to have said, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

(Let the record show that I drive a base-model 2012 Mazda 3.)

I have driven large capacity turbos which could be (and often were) caught flat footed off boost. I’ve also driven a couple of small capacity turbo fours which by virtue of being spooled up most of the time were responsive and strong - up to a point. If Porsche have reduced the capacity and cylinder count of their turbo engines, assuming they are refined enough and do not brick wall on the limiter, I expect they’re rather peppy and fun. I prefer long legged but we live in a changing world.

rsch posted:

If you are not interested in cars and don't have good arguments about this post,  you' d be better to write in other sections of the forum.

Regards

Roberto

Actually, I think my arguments are pretty good. You may not share them or like them but that doesn't make them less good.

Regards

tp

totemphile posted:

rsch posted:

If you are not interested in cars and don't have good arguments about this post,  you' d be better to write in other sections of the forum.

Regards

Roberto

Actually, I think my arguments are pretty good. You may not share them or like them but that doesn't make them less good.

Regards

tp

 

What argument? You've slated something and not come up with an alternative at all. Oh sorry, you've suggested giving the money to charity. Well a car would still be required, so I suppose the op could then sell his Naim, then house, maybe a kidney and an eye? Give all the proceeds to charity?

No, not everyone likes Porsche. So what? Many hifi lovers detest Naim, but so what? I'm guessing you're bitter about something in your life.  

DrMark posted:

Then I guess we'd all do well with a Panasonic stereo and ditch the expensive Naim gear to help the cause too.

 

Now there's a thought worth contemplating.

Br

tp