analogmusic posted:

well hopefully one day Blu-ray audio will be the de-facto standard, and we can all enjoy 192/24 bit audio for the price of a CD.

Not sure why the music industry is dragging this on, we can all enjoy hi-res audio, but.... they all need to do this at once, and force everyone to upgrade to this format.

MQA is the right step in that direction.

i don't know if one day we will have a standard format: cd, lp, sacd, high rez, mqa, blue ray, ...it is a little tiring and the same since 20 years, with no standard format.

I wish a unique format, better than all.

Keler Pierre posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

As I indicated, I found most brand new albums had some surface noise, clearly normal- occasionally if particularly bad I'd return it to the shop and exchange for another, when usually better but sometimes a whole pressing would be bad. 

Of course, I was able to ignore the surface noise on all but the worst records, but once digital became good it was so nice to be free of having to ignore it (except on vinyl that I ripped and still have in streamable form).

 

 

 

As for lps, new one are very often noisy and the sound is compressed.  I am buying new original one, which are still sealed since 40 years! or near mint ones.

Today new vinyl: only mobile fidelity and analogue productions.

 

When I referred to new LPs, I'm very much including first release original pressings bought at the actual time of relase back in the 1970s, so surface noise is not just a recent phenomenom.

Keler Pierre posted:

Allante93 posted:

I Love My Cdx2, What about Vinyl?

Thought the following, might be interesting:

What is DMM-CD?

""A NEW FORMAT: THE STOCKFISCH DMM-CD/SACD

More and more music lovers are discovering the unique sound of a vinyl record. We have thought about whether it is possible just to make the sound creation factors of a vinyl record audible.

{A pressed record however has many artefacts arising from the vinyl pressing i.e. distortion, rumble, groove noise, vertical and lateral aberrations, clicks, etc. and other artefacts that are detrimental to a good sound.}

{Having said that, music lovers have already become accustomed to these disadvantages.}

We call our new production method "DMM-CD". With this solution, we can eradicate the aforementioned disadvantages of the pressed record - and yet still maintain the typical vinyl sound: ""

XRCD, K2-CD, SHM, HDCD, SACD/DSD, DMM-CD, HYBRIDS, or just good old Naim & Linn Mastering Techniques?

They're all 16/44.1 CDs. The mastering equipment differs or the disc material differs, but at the end of the day, the most important things are the mastering techniques employed and the tapes used.

Allante93!

PS. Just sharing Info.

This just in: The CD format isn't dead

It's starting to look like the CD will be cherished as the last physical digital music format.

 

16/44 isn't dead, but cd , as lp,  are more and more to find on used market...but i continue to buy cds and rip them on my unitserve.  ..   But you have to agree that there is less and less new cds in shops...    ok, perhaps it is half dead.  I would prefer alive completely...

I enjoy all formats, it gives just more music....My points on analog is only opinion on absolute sound and musicality. But i am not only turntable man....

A new Paradigm, and you are not missing a beat!

Naim's entry level Streamer & your Mediocre TT!  LOL......

Enjoy your Music!

Allante93!

PS.

That Mino Cinelu, is a nice Mastering of a CD done properly, How was the live performance?

analogmusic posted:

well hopefully one day Blu-ray audio will be the de-facto standard, and we can all enjoy 192/24 bit audio for the price of a CD.

Not sure why the music industry is dragging this on, we can all enjoy hi-res audio, but.... they all need to do this at once, and force everyone to upgrade to this format.

MQA is the right step in that direction.

Is MQA really a step in the right direction? Isn't non-lossy transmission of the high res file the better way to go (as you can indeed download)?

Keler Pierre posted:

analogmusic posted:

well hopefully one day Blu-ray audio will be the de-facto standard, and we can all enjoy 192/24 bit audio for the price of a CD.

Not sure why the music industry is dragging this on, we can all enjoy hi-res audio, but.... they all need to do this at once, and force everyone to upgrade to this format.

MQA is the right step in that direction.

i don't know if one day we will have a standard format: cd, lp, sacd, high rez, mqa, blue ray, ...it is a little tiring and the same since 20 years, with no standard format.

I wish a unique format, better than all.

With streaming from your own store it is largely irrelevant, most players being able to play any resolution up to typically 24/192 (some higher), and a variety of file formats e.g wav, flac, and increasingly dsd, though the lossy MQA format is tge odd one out (but their function is primarily for online streaming and so can be ignored)  

Allante93 posted:

Keler Pierre posted:

Allante93 posted:

I Love My Cdx2, What about Vinyl?

Thought the following, might be interesting:

What is DMM-CD?

""A NEW FORMAT: THE STOCKFISCH DMM-CD/SACD

More and more music lovers are discovering the unique sound of a vinyl record. We have thought about whether it is possible just to make the sound creation factors of a vinyl record audible.

{A pressed record however has many artefacts arising from the vinyl pressing i.e. distortion, rumble, groove noise, vertical and lateral aberrations, clicks, etc. and other artefacts that are detrimental to a good sound.}

{Having said that, music lovers have already become accustomed to these disadvantages.}

We call our new production method "DMM-CD". With this solution, we can eradicate the aforementioned disadvantages of the pressed record - and yet still maintain the typical vinyl sound: ""

XRCD, K2-CD, SHM, HDCD, SACD/DSD, DMM-CD, HYBRIDS, or just good old Naim & Linn Mastering Techniques?

They're all 16/44.1 CDs. The mastering equipment differs or the disc material differs, but at the end of the day, the most important things are the mastering techniques employed and the tapes used.

Allante93!

PS. Just sharing Info.

This just in: The CD format isn't dead

It's starting to look like the CD will be cherished as the last physical digital music format.

 

16/44 isn't dead, but cd , as lp,  are more and more to find on used market...but i continue to buy cds and rip them on my unitserve.  ..   But you have to agree that there is less and less new cds in shops...    ok, perhaps it is half dead.  I would prefer alive completely...

I enjoy all formats, it gives just more music....My points on analog is only opinion on absolute sound and musicality. But i am not only turntable man....

A new Paradigm, and you are not missing a beat!

Naim's entry level Streamer & your Mediocre TT!  LOL......

Enjoy your Music!

Allante93!

PS.

That Mino Cinelu, is a nice Mastering of a CD done properly, How was the live performance?

i saw mino cinelu only with miles davis group: darryl jones on bass , john scofield on guitar...mino was also with herbie hancock and the headhunters 2.....these concerts were in Nice jazz festival...i used to go several times in the 80's.  

But for mino as leader, live , i don't know if there is an album.   But there are very good live albums, very good mastering, from Marilyn Mazur, also miles davis percussionist...perhaps you will like( "all the birds").  similar music to mino cinelu... or billy cobham: drum and voices, fabulous...manu katche, on ecm...

Innocent Bystander posted:

Keler Pierre posted:

analogmusic posted:

well hopefully one day Blu-ray audio will be the de-facto standard, and we can all enjoy 192/24 bit audio for the price of a CD.

Not sure why the music industry is dragging this on, we can all enjoy hi-res audio, but.... they all need to do this at once, and force everyone to upgrade to this format.

MQA is the right step in that direction.

i don't know if one day we will have a standard format: cd, lp, sacd, high rez, mqa, blue ray, ...it is a little tiring and the same since 20 years, with no standard format.

I wish a unique format, better than all.

With streaming from your own store it is largely irrelevant, most players being able to play any resolution up to typically 24/192 (some higher), and a variety of file formats e.g wav, flac, and increasingly dsd, though the lossy MQA format is tge odd one out (but their function is primarily for online streaming and so can be ignored)  

i am very happy with what i have, very.  I was just referring to the non stable market in audio, with too many formats...

joerand posted:

Indeed. If you're going to embrace vinyl you must also accept the inherent shortcomings; rumble, pitch variation, snaps and pops. As far as wearing of vinyl? I'm not certain that's much of a notable factor with well-cared-for LPs. As Simon suggests, a record cleaning machine ought to be considered an indispensable part of a vinyl system. Brand new or used, vinyl needs to be cleaned for best performance. Quality LP inner sleeves should also be part of that arsenal.

 

It's hard to know whether [@mention:41551091830475636] has taken much note of what [@mention:1566878603876589] , [@mention:13533848859433010] and I (https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...93#71117301559390493) having been saying. The OP wanted advice on Vinyl replay, but instead we get a load of stuff about digital mostly. He wants the wow from vinyl he gets from his CDX2.

It would be nice to know whether those with vinyl like IB do follow a good record cleaning regime including use of cleaning fluids such as L'Art du Son from Loricraft and new inners such a Nagaoka. A clean on the PRC4 improves the SQ as much as a big box upgrade in my experience.

Also if you are serious about vinyl then a good MC ( I have a Rega Aphelion at £3k list, although I paid under £5k with sale discount for the RP10 and Aphelion). The Apheta was not as good with surface noise on the demo RP10 prior to getting a demo Aphelion from Rega. As I said in the above link when the entire system is carefully tuned the surface noise is barely noticeable when the high frequencies are properly reproduced. If you did Fourier analysis of a square wave at school or Uni you will understand that without the full complement of harmonics the reconstruction is poor. Judge your system by the dust clicks.

Terry from Loricraft also has good advice on cleaning difficult vinyl.

Anyone wanting to visit me in Gloucestershire is welcome to bring some vinyl and some CDs. 

Phil

Filipe posted:

joerand posted:

Indeed. If you're going to embrace vinyl you must also accept the inherent shortcomings; rumble, pitch variation, snaps and pops. As far as wearing of vinyl? I'm not certain that's much of a notable factor with well-cared-for LPs. As Simon suggests, a record cleaning machine ought to be considered an indispensable part of a vinyl system. Brand new or used, vinyl needs to be cleaned for best performance. Quality LP inner sleeves should also be part of that arsenal.

 

It's hard to know whether [@mention:41551091830475636] has taken much note of what [@mention:1566878603876589] , [@mention:13533848859433010] and I (https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...93#71117301559390493) having been saying. The OP wanted advice on Vinyl replay, but instead we get a load of stuff about digital mostly. He wants the wow from vinyl he gets from his CDX2.

It would be nice to know whether those with vinyl like IB do follow a good record cleaning regime including use of cleaning fluids such as L'Art du Son from Loricraft and new inners such a Nagaoka. A clean on the PRC4 improves the SQ as much as a big box upgrade in my experience.

Also if you are serious about vinyl then a good MC ( I have a Rega Aphelion at £3k list, although I paid under £5k with sale discount for the RP10 and Aphelion). The Apheta was not as good with surface noise on the demo RP10 prior to getting a demo Aphelion from Rega. As I said in the above link when the entire system is carefully tuned the surface noise is barely noticeable when the high frequencies are properly reproduced. If you did Fourier analysis of a square wave at school or Uni you will understand that without the full complement of harmonics the reconstruction is poor. Judge your system by the dust clicks.

Terry from Loricraft also has good advice on cleaning difficult vinyl.

Anyone wanting to visit me in Gloucestershire is welcome to bring some vinyl and some CDs. 

Phil

i use alcohol isopropylic, around 7GBP for 1 liter... very useful.

Filipe posted:

joerand posted:

Indeed.

{{If you're going to embrace vinyl you must also accept the inherent shortcomings; rumble, pitch variation, snaps and pops.}}

As far as wearing of vinyl? .....

It's hard to know whether [@mention:41551091830475636] has taken much note of what [@mention:1566878603876589] , [@mention:13533848859433010] and I (https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...93#71117301559390493) having been saying.

The OP wanted advice on Vinyl replay, but instead we get a load of stuff about digital mostly.

He wants the wow from vinyl he gets from his CDX2.

It would be nice to know whether those with vinyl like IB do follow a good record cleaning regime including use of cleaning fluids such as L'Art du Son from Loricraft and new inners such a Nagaoka. A clean on the PRC4 improves the SQ as much as a big box upgrade in my experience.

Also if you are serious about vinyl then a good MC ( I have a Rega Aphelion at £3k list, although I paid under £5k with ....

Phil

Innocent gets it, I get, we just happen to prefer The Digital CD over Vinyl.

But guess what, A boat load of others get it.

Point and case, Pierre, and he prefers the analog TT.

But he realizes, in this Era, it's not either or!

Hence, he's sporting an NDS & SME/20, ain't Bad!

And guess what, my Hero, Simon in Sulfolk, has preached the coming of the new Paradigm!

But, to answer your Question, why we get a boat load of Digital, we are Human!

That's what we do, focus on the How, as opposed to the Why!

Don't get me wrong, the How is some serious sh****t, that's what got me in to Hi Fi, but at this stage of the game, it's all about the Sweet Music, The Why!

Enjoy!

Allante93!

PS.

My 252 is superior than your 282

The 282 will out class an 272, any day

Yes, But you don't belong to the 500 Club

Active is the purist route 

How about the Statement

The infamous Pecking Order!

Humans, interesting creatures!

Allante93 posted:

I Love My Cdx2, What about Vinyl?

Thought the following, might be interesting:

What is DMM-CD?

""A NEW FORMAT: THE STOCKFISCH DMM-CD/SACD

More and more music lovers are discovering the unique sound of a vinyl record. We have thought about whether it is possible just to make the sound creation factors of a vinyl record audible.

{A pressed record however has many artefacts arising from the vinyl pressing i.e. distortion, rumble, groove noise, vertical and lateral aberrations, clicks, etc. and other artefacts that are detrimental to a good sound.}

{Having said that, music lovers have already become accustomed to these disadvantages.}

We call our new production method "DMM-CD". With this solution, we can eradicate the aforementioned disadvantages of the pressed record - and yet still maintain the typical vinyl sound: ""

XRCD, K2-CD, SHM, HDCD, SACD/DSD, DMM-CD, HYBRIDS, or just good old Naim & Linn Mastering Techniques?

They're all 16/44.1 CDs. The mastering equipment differs or the disc material differs, but at the end of the day, the most important things are the mastering techniques employed and the tapes used.

Allante93!

PS. Just sharing Info.

This just in: The CD format isn't dead

It's starting to look like the CD will be cherished as the last physical digital music format.

 

Allante93 posted:

Allante93 posted:

I Love My Cdx2, What about Vinyl?

Thought the following, might be interesting:

What is DMM-CD?

""A NEW FORMAT: THE STOCKFISCH DMM-CD/SACD

More and more music lovers are discovering the unique sound of a vinyl record. We have thought about whether it is possible just to make the sound creation factors of a vinyl record audible.

{A pressed record however has many artefacts arising from the vinyl pressing i.e. distortion, rumble, groove noise, vertical and lateral aberrations, clicks, etc. and other artefacts that are detrimental to a good sound.}

{Having said that, music lovers have already become accustomed to these disadvantages.}

We call our new production method "DMM-CD". With this solution, we can eradicate the aforementioned disadvantages of the pressed record - and yet still maintain the typical vinyl sound: ""

XRCD, K2-CD, SHM, HDCD, SACD/DSD, DMM-CD, HYBRIDS, or just good old Naim & Linn Mastering Techniques?

They're all 16/44.1 CDs. The mastering equipment differs or the disc material differs, but at the end of the day, the most important things are the mastering techniques employed and the tapes used.

Allante93!

PS. Just sharing Info.

This just in: The CD format isn't dead

It's starting to look like the CD will be cherished as the last physical digital music format.

 

the cd will not be more cherished than 16/44 downloads because the sound is the same: ripped cd or 16/44 download: same sound.  So no reason to cherish cd!

As for to be exact, i prefer vinyl for music of the analog era. For music after 1985, i prefer digital, but i have also no other choice.  Perhaps to hear today recordings transferred on vinyl: not for me, the sound is often awful.

So: music from 1950 to 1985: turntable 

music from 1985 to 2017: nds

Filipe posted:

joerand posted:

Indeed. If you're going to embrace vinyl you must also accept the inherent shortcomings; rumble, pitch variation, snaps and pops. As far as wearing of vinyl? I'm not certain that's much of a notable factor with well-cared-for LPs. As Simon suggests, a record cleaning machine ought to be considered an indispensable part of a vinyl system. Brand new or used, vinyl needs to be cleaned for best performance. Quality LP inner sleeves should also be part of that arsenal.

 

It's hard to know whether [@mention:41551091830475636] has taken much note of what [@mention:1566878603876589] , [@mention:13533848859433010] and I (https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...93#71117301559390493) having been saying. The OP wanted advice on Vinyl replay, but instead we get a load of stuff about digital mostly. He wants the wow from vinyl he gets from his CDX2.

 

What a strange comment to direct at me! My first posts in this thread were contributing to a discussion of digital vs analogue that had been started by others, and the subsequent ones have all been responding to specific comments by others - but maybe you didn't take much note...

Keler Pierre posted:

Allante93 posted:

{A pressed record however has many artefacts arising from the vinyl pressing i.e. distortion, rumble, groove noise, vertical and lateral aberrations, clicks, etc. and other artefacts that are detrimental to a good sound.}

{Having said that, music lovers have already become accustomed to these disadvantages.}

XRCD, K2-CD, SHM, HDCD, SACD/DSD, DMM-CD, HYBRIDS, or just good old Naim & Linn Mastering Techniques?

They're all 16/44.1 CDs. The mastering equipment differs or the disc material differs, but at the end of the day, the most important things are the mastering techniques employed and the tapes used.

Allante93!

PS. Just sharing Info.

 

 

As for to be exact, i prefer vinyl for music of the analog era. For music after 1985, i prefer digital, but i have also no other choice.  Perhaps to hear today recordings transferred on vinyl: not for me, the sound is often awful.

So: music from 1950 to 1985: turntable 

music from 1985 to 2017: nds

That makes a lot of sense, SME/20 & NDS!

I sold my LP 12 & 97% of my LPs, couldn't part with the 3% of my pristine collection.

However, when it comes playback on my Cdx2, I find myself preferring the later mastered CDs.

Post 2000, it got so bad, I found myself purchasing CDs based on SQ, rather than the instinctive attraction of the tune!

Naim CDs, Linn CDs, XRCD 2, 24, HDCD, GOLD, SACD Hybrids, etc... But Diana Krall's Love Scense, and MINO CINELU, wasn't mastered from the former list!

Just done properly, good old fashion Red Book, done right!

You see, it really is about the music, thanks for opening my eyes!

Quiet as it is kept, I think the Evolving Sound Of Naim is based on the changing Techniques used in the mastering process!

Enjoy your Music!

Allante93!

PS.

I need to beef up my Streamimg!

MM>Airport Extreme> 3 x Airport Express

Living-room, Family-room, Rec-room

The Convenience, is out of this world!

Controlling all 3 Systems From Android Phone, whilst lying in bed!

And, it ain't bad!

i have more music on my naim app now vs lps....and convenience is also fantastic : just opening my ipad app....for sure. I am often too lazy to search a vinyl, open it, clean it, put it on my turntable. increase the arm and decrease it....perhaps 10 mn all the process... more this on holidays.

to answer to this topic: best turntables for prat and bombastic dynamic:  vpi classic direct/ spiral groove sg1 and sg2/ kuzma xl4/ audionote reference      from 15k (sg1) to 50k( audionote).

Andib posted:

After months of abstinence (only using my nds and bauer TT) I am once again very impressed by my CDX2. Just wow!! A very dynamic and "punchy" sound. And also warm and detailed - nearly a bit of everything to me..

But I never found a turntable with that CDX2 sound.. Is there any out there? I tried proJect expression and rpm5, rega P5 and RP10 (just lent 3 days), and bauer dps2 over the years. The "nearest" in that category to my ears was the RP10... But what would you say? Is there any TT masterpiece in this regard? Thank you for any recommendations.

Just to remind us of the original post here it is again.

The OP hasn't found the "dynamic and punchy" sound fron his NDS nor the turntables he's tried or owned. From that discription Maybe a look at Lenco Heaven might be a place to start, or Loricraft if you're feeling flush. Idler drive with a high torque motor ishould be the next step on from the DPS' belt drive with drag or even my Artemis in terms of punch.

yeti42 posted:

Andib posted:

After months of abstinence (only using my nds and bauer TT) I am once again very impressed by my CDX2. Just wow!! A very dynamic and "punchy" sound. And also warm and detailed - nearly a bit of everything to me..

But I never found a turntable with that CDX2 sound.. Is there any out there? I tried proJect expression and rpm5, rega P5 and RP10 (just lent 3 days), and bauer dps2 over the years. The "nearest" in that category to my ears was the RP10... But what would you say? Is there any TT masterpiece in this regard? Thank you for any recommendations.

Just to remind us of the original post here it is again.

The OP hasn't found the "dynamic and punchy" sound fron his NDS nor the turntables he's tried or owned. From that discription Maybe a look at Lenco Heaven might be a place to start, or Loricraft if you're feeling flush. Idler drive with a high torque motor ishould be the next step on from the DPS' belt drive with drag or even my Artemis in terms of punch.

or new garrard 401 or 501, brinkman direct....

One of the best things about the Superline is that the record noise is greatly reduced.  Don't ask me why.   I rarely buy or play anything but used records and the savings can amortize the cost of the Superline.

yeti42 posted:

Andib posted:

After months of abstinence (only using my nds and bauer TT) I am once again very impressed by my CDX2. Just wow!! A very dynamic and "punchy" sound. And also warm and detailed - nearly a bit of everything to me..

But I never found a turntable with that CDX2 sound.. Is there any out there? I tried proJect expression and rpm5, rega P5 and RP10 (just lent 3 days), and bauer dps2 over the years. The "nearest" in that category to my ears was the RP10... But what would you say? Is there any TT masterpiece in this regard? Thank you for any recommendations.

Just to remind us of the original post here it is again.

The OP hasn't found the "dynamic and punchy" sound fron his NDS nor the turntables he's tried or owned. From that discription Maybe a look at Lenco Heaven might be a place to start, or Loricraft if you're feeling flush. Idler drive with a high torque motor ishould be the next step on from the DPS' belt drive with drag or even my Artemis in terms of punch.

I would say to the OP if they enjoy a dynamic and punchy sound from any source type is definitely try a NDAC/555PS.. it excels at it.. and can beat the CDX2 at its own game in this particular regard.

Keler Pierre posted:

to answer to this topic: best turntables for prat and bombastic dynamic:  vpi classic direct/ spiral groove sg1 and sg2/ kuzma xl4/ audionote reference      from 15k (sg1) to 50k( audionote).

brinkmann bardo  

Skip posted:

One of the best things about the Superline is that the record noise is greatly reduced.  Don't ask me why.   I rarely buy or play anything but used records and the savings can amortize the cost of the Superline.

Interesting comment Skip as I've never heard similar statements regarding a high-end phonostage's ability to reduce record noise. My experience with carts that tend to minimize surface noise is that the overall dynamics are similarly reduced; squelching pops and clicks veils the sound.

Innocent Bystander posted:

Filipe posted:

joerand posted:

Indeed. If you're going to embrace vinyl you must also accept the inherent shortcomings; rumble, pitch variation, snaps and pops. As far as wearing of vinyl? I'm not certain that's much of a notable factor with well-cared-for LPs. As Simon suggests, a record cleaning machine ought to be considered an indispensable part of a vinyl system. Brand new or used, vinyl needs to be cleaned for best performance. Quality LP inner sleeves should also be part of that arsenal.

 

It's hard to know whether [@mention:41551091830475636] has taken much note of what [@mention:1566878603876589] , [@mention:13533848859433010] and I (https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...93#71117301559390493) having been saying. The OP wanted advice on Vinyl replay, but instead we get a load of stuff about digital mostly. He wants the wow from vinyl he gets from his CDX2.

 

What a strange comment to direct at me! My first posts in this thread were contributing to a discussion of digital vs analogue that had been started by others, and the subsequent ones have all been responding to specific comments by others - but maybe you didn't take much note...

 

@ my Dear Friend Innocent, it really wasn't strange, you put together, an rather impressive argument for digital vs the analog TT.

Then, you had the audacity, to sell your analog TT. 

Then, to pour gasoline into the fire, with the better sex comment!

{ Hence, the Great Divide! }

To Era on the safe side, one must at least, advocate the use of both sources:

In a Naim Forum, LP 12 &  NDS!

Which takes us to next Thread> NDS!

Don't take it personal, in fact, it was a complement of your work:

""As I indicated, I found most brand new albums had some surface noise, clearly normal- occasionally if particularly bad I'd return it to the shop and exchange for another, when usually better but sometimes a whole pressing would be bad. 

Of course, I was able to ignore the surface noise on all but the worst records, but once digital became good it was so nice to be free of having to ignore it (except on vinyl that I ripped and still have in streamable form).

Having ripped all vinyl I sold my turntable about 7 or 8 years ago - with some sadness as it had served me well, but it went to a new home where it would be cherished. 

Say What!!!!!!! LOL.....

{I'm a bit worried that you think some LPs can be better than sex.  Digital of course may be another matter... }

No you Didn't!!!!!!

===================================

When I referred to new LPs, I'm very much including first release original pressings bought at the actual time of relase back in the 1970s, so surface noise is not just a recent phenomenom

=====================================

With streaming from your own store it is largely irrelevant, most players being able to play any resolution up to typically 24/192 (some higher), and a variety of file formats e.g wav, flac, and increasingly dsd, though the lossy MQA format is the odd one out (but their function is primarily for online streaming and so can be ignored)

What's MQA "

You see, not so strange! Nice job.

But some nice gentle opened my eyes, and pointed out the OP, owned an NDS, and was looking for an TT, with the excitement, of an LP 12.

I didn't get at first! Stupid Me!

But my Hero, came to the rescue!

Perhaps you should give the Cdx2 Mk II a spin, hitched to an Ndac!

The Golden Extreme between the Analog TT, and the Digital CD!

Allante93!

PS. Humans, Interesting Creatures!

The Great Divide:

Black vs White

Communism vs Capitalism

Democrats vs Republicans

The Labour Party vs The Tories 

The Pecking Order:

The Haves vs The Have Nots

20K Naim System vs Homeless Individuals

The Analog TT vs Digital Period!

We are Blessed!!!!

Allante93 posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

Filipe posted:

joerand posted:

Indeed. If you're going to embrace vinyl you must also accept the inherent shortcomings; rumble, pitch variation, snaps and pops. As far as wearing of vinyl? I'm not certain that's much of a notable factor with well-cared-for LPs. As Simon suggests, a record cleaning machine ought to be considered an indispensable part of a vinyl system. Brand new or used, vinyl needs to be cleaned for best performance. Quality LP inner sleeves should also be part of that arsenal.

 

It's hard to know whether [@mention:41551091830475636] has taken much note of what [@mention:1566878603876589] , [@mention:13533848859433010] and I (https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...93#71117301559390493) having been saying. The OP wanted advice on Vinyl replay, but instead we get a load of stuff about digital mostly. He wants the wow from vinyl he gets from his CDX2.

 

What a strange comment to direct at me! My first posts in this thread were contributing to a discussion of digital vs analogue that had been started by others, and the subsequent ones have all been responding to specific comments by others - but maybe you didn't take much note...

 

@ my Dear Friend Innocent, it really wasn't strange, you put together, an rather impressive argument for digital vs the analog TT.

Then, you had the audacity, to sell your analog TT. 

Then, to pour gasoline into the fire, with the better sex comment!

{ Hence, the Great Divide! }

To Era on the safe side, one must at least, advocate the use of both sources:

In a Naim Forum, LP 12 &  NDS!

Which takes us to next Thread> NDS!

Don't take it personal, in fact, it was a complement of your work:

""As I indicated, I found most brand new albums had some surface noise, clearly normal- occasionally if particularly bad I'd return it to the shop and exchange for another, when usually better but sometimes a whole pressing would be bad. 

Of course, I was able to ignore the surface noise on all but the worst records, but once digital became good it was so nice to be free of having to ignore it (except on vinyl that I ripped and still have in streamable form).

Having ripped all vinyl I sold my turntable about 7 or 8 years ago - with some sadness as it had served me well, but it went to a new home where it would be cherished. 

Say What!!!!!!! LOL.....

{I'm a bit worried that you think some LPs can be better than sex.  Digital of course may be another matter... }

No you Didn't!!!!!!

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When I referred to new LPs, I'm very much including first release original pressings bought at the actual time of relase back in the 1970s, so surface noise is not just a recent phenomenom

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With streaming from your own store it is largely irrelevant, most players being able to play any resolution up to typically 24/192 (some higher), and a variety of file formats e.g wav, flac, and increasingly dsd, though the lossy MQA format is the odd one out (but their function is primarily for online streaming and so can be ignored)

What's MQA "

You see, not so strange! Nice job.

But some nice gentle opened my eyes, and pointed out the OP, owned an NDS, and was looking for an TT, with the excitement, of an LP 12.

I didn't get at first! Stupid Me!

But my Hero, came to the rescue!

Perhaps you should give the Cdx2 Mk II a spin, hitched to an Ndac!

The Golden Extreme between the Analog TT, and the Digital CD!

Allante93!

PS. Humans, Interesting Creatures!

The Great Divide:

Black vs White

Communism vs Capitalism

Democrats vs Republicans

The Labour Party vs The Tories 

The Pecking Order:

The Haves vs The Have Nots

20K Naim System vs Homeless Individuals

The Analog TT vs Digital Period!

We are Blessed!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

alliante, don't think i am crazy when i say that vinyl can sound so good that is better than sex: it is more to be taken lightly, not seriously, and it was a famous expression of the guru of vinyl: Michael Fremer. He reviewed and bought the continuum caliburn turntable (>100k!) and had so much emotion and pleasure on some tracks , he said" better than sex".

But yes, when i hear sometimes a good pressing that i love on vinyl, i am impressed and so involved that i am hypnotized and have goosebumps....sex, without love, can be less enjoyable, sometimes....I hope i have not hurt you.

I'm not sure surface noise is reduced by the phono stage so much as you attension isn't drawn to it so much in competition with the music. There's a similar effect with poor recordings in that though you can hear the recording isn't the best it's faults don't spoil a good performance to the extent that it is unlistenable. There's a lot of HiFi out there that only serves to tell you how crap your recordings are.