sl2 sound stage
Posted by: leni v on 25 August 2017
Read alot about the musical traits of the sl2 but very little about it s sound stage especially considering the fact that it is aclose to wall design.i can get agood pair for agood price and was wandering if sl2 suits me sonicaly.now important part of my music are big orchestral and choruses where big scale and deep soundstage are important (to me anyway)also a lot of baroque musiç often recorded in churches and deep sound stage is essential to captur the ambience etc..other points important for me in a speaker :to be very good at low level and to have a wide sweet spot,to be good with male and female voice,to have enough airbetween voices in big chorus pieces(detail)but not over bright(alot of harpsicord and solo violin in baroque music).am i asking to much from tthe sl2?
Very good,did nt see this one thanks a lot
I listen to a lot of baroque music and the speakers can portray the church ambience very convincingly. They don't do the imaging thing where you can tell exactly where each drum on the drum kit is, or where each violin is in the orchestra, but if you want something that sounds like real music and draws you into the performance, I've not heard anything better. They absolutely must have a solid wall behind them though.
I am less interested in precise imaging ,more in scale (when necessary)and for the speaker to disappear. Anywayi ll have a listen before l l l l decide of course.
Mine certainly disappear, though the ability to do this increased significantly when I added SL wires. I find that quite a lot of the time I listen to music from 90 degrees to the speakers, and it works really well, so you don't need to confine yourself to a specific chair.
I'm assuming that you know they are not plonk and play speakers and that they require very precise setting up to get them to perform to their full ability. It's not particularly hard; you just need to know what you are doing.
In nature, no sound comes from more than a single source. Of course you do get multiple single sources....train wheels. cars on a highway etc.....but each comprise sounds that originate from a single source...a wheel, an engine etc.
Humans have 2 ears. Why? in order to accurately locate the source of a sounds. The sounds reaching each ear from a single source are subtly different in terms of frequency, sound level, timing and sound wave phase. Our ears have the ability to detect those differences and the brain uses them to locate the source of sound.
The ears are on either side of our heads....while our eyes are on the front. For survival, its imperative that we are able to quickly and easily locate the source of a sound. As soon as we hear a sound, we are able to sense the direction in which it lies due to the differences between the sound reaching our 2 ears. Given we know the direction, we swivel our head in order that the sound reaching each ear becomes identical, at which point our eyes are pointing directly towards the source of the sound, allowing us to very rapidly detect its location and identify its source. A very useful attribute for both hunter and prey alike.
In stereo hi-fi, sounds have 2 sources...the loudspeakers. This allows us to manipulate the sound level, timing and phase of the sound waves reaching each ear and as long as the hi-fi system and room can preserve and present an accurate reproduction of frequency, level, phase and timing, our brains will construct accurate locations for all the sounds, depending 100% of course on what is actually recorded.
Our brains have evolved to understand speech and have developed an amazing ability to ignore very early reflections, as typically occur in a room. Thus if a hi-fi is able to accurately reproduce all the level, phase and timing relationships from its 2 channels and as long as the room doesn't distort those relationships with things like standing waves, flutter echoes, unbalanced reflections (e.g a wall near 1 speaker, an open space next to the other), then your brain will be able to construct apparent locations for all the different instruments in the recording.
As you will deduce from the above, imaging per-se is not a loudspeaker attribute. There is no 'image' in your room. The only thing in your room are 2 discreet sound sources. The only 'image' that exists is the one your brain creates from all the information it is provided to both ears. Loudspeakers and indeed anything that interferes with level, phase and timing will impact and ultimately destroy the 'illusion' of an image. For example, installing loudspeakers either side of a large object like a TV or cabinet will interfere with the information produced by your loudspeakers by way of high energy reflections (phase, frequency and level anomalies), diffraction (frequency anomalies) and resonance (phase, timing and frequency anomalies).
So in conclusion, loudspeakers can't create an image....that's something your brain does, but they can destroy your ability to create the illusion by either failing to deliver the information your brain requires, failing to integrate properly with the room's surfaces and dimensions which in turn distorts the vital information or by being connected to a system that destroys or distorts the required information along the way.
This of course explains why for a particular model of speaker, one person reports excellent imaging, while another may report little or none. You only have to look at a collection of photographs of contributors' system installations to understand why major differences in 'imaging' arise.
You'd need something a lot bigger with a big system behind it, and a big enough room. Bass that goes down to subterranean levels to really give the impression of a large space.
You can get a sense of air, but you need a sense of the ground and walls within the recording being energised to get real depth.
maybe with a sub.
Hungryhalibut posted:Mine certainly disappear, though the ability to do this increased significantly when I added SL wires. I find that quite a lot of the time I listen to music from 90 degrees to the speakers, and it works really well, so you don't need to confine yourself to a specific chair.
I'm assuming that you know they are not plonk and play speakers and that they require very precise setting up to get them to perform to their full ability. It's not particularly hard; you just need to know what you are doing.
Thanks for the encouraging information.even its aprivat buy(assuming i ll decide to go for ii)m y dealer is ready to assist me.thanks again
TOBYJUG posted:You'd need something a lot bigger with a big system behind it, and a big enough room. Bass that goes down to subterranean levels to really give the impression of a large space.
You can get a sense of air, but you need a sense of the ground and walls within the recording being energised to get real depth.
maybe with a sub.
Room is big enough and scale and soundstage are quite ok,its other areas that i want to improve(mostly detail air between voices and instrumets wider sweet spot )without to give up what i already have