Calling all PMC Twenty 26 owners

Posted by: Warszawa on 28 August 2017

Hi there

Looking for a new power amp to sit between a MFA Classic v2 passive pre-amp and my PMC Twenty 26. So far I have a Chord SPM 1050 Mk II which won out over Cyrus Mono X 300 Signatures (close call but the Chord adds a real kick to the bass and looks mental.) I’m mostly happy but I do find I’m sensitive to treble and certain recordings really grate (it was slightly worse with the Cyrus.) I listen to rock so it’s mostly cymbals. I’m still confident these are the speakers for me as rear posted speakers tend to boom in my room and the 26 are cable of wonderful tight, deep bass and are generally great all round. I’m just trying to tone down that treble spike all PMCs seem to have.
 
I was just wondering what other 20.26 owners have demoed that they may be able to suggest. The reason I’m asking here is because I might be able to stretch to an ex-demo NAP 300 DR. How would the sound signature compare to a Bryston 4B3 for example? Bryston are the go-to brand for PMC it seems but I’m concerned that might sound more clinical and I’m looking for a smoother, warmer presentation. Maybe another brand entirely?
 
Would the Naim play nice with the passive pre (which isn’t going anywhere, sorry) and am I right in thinking I’d need some sort of single ended RCA-XLR cables?
 
A demo to hear both would be a 3 hour trip each way and I’ve an eye for an online bargain.
 
Thanks in advance.
Posted on: 28 August 2017 by Innocent Bystander

I don't have the Twenty 26, instead having the PMC EB1i, and I don't have experience of the 300, presently using a Bryston 4Bsst2, however possibly there is enough commonality to offer My observations.

I find what I have read about Naim's power amp design interesting, and the NAP300 is an amp I would be interested in hearing, though without such a burning desire that I would need in order to mount the 2-day expedition it would take for me to audition, and I would not risk it that amount on an unheard 'punt' - although if you are confident on selling on at the same price then no reason why not.

Naim afficionados say the amplification is designed to be paired as NAC+NAP, though I get the impression it is mainly because the pre is the prime source of the 'Naim sound'. But then a power amp might be a gentle way in. I do gather that the Naim power amps need ultrasonic frequencies filtering out if present in the signal, which is done by their preamps, so do check that your preamp or source do filter out very high frequencies if you go down that path. There are some on the forum who seem happy with Naim power amps without a Naim pre.

FWIW I don't feel my system is in any way clinical, just clear and with a full frequency range, giving a pretty  natural sound, at least to my ears (though the mid and treble can be bettered with better drivers, but thats another thread subject).

Posted on: 30 August 2017 by Felty99

Happy NAP 250 owner here used with PMC 20-26s.

Always worth following PMC advice to ensure the speakers are toed in slightly so that the central image converges just behind your main listening position. Result is no harsh top end and wonderful, balanced sound. Arguably it is the source and pre-amp which might be exacerbating any harshness rather than the power amp?

Posted on: 30 August 2017 by Innocent Bystander

Or toed in less can reduce treble. 

Also of possibly great significance ithe treble if overbright, harsh or confused in the treble is the room.  Whate are dimensions, speaker and listening positions especislly relative to walls, wallcoverings, especially side walls if near to speakers, floor furnishing generally. Etc.

Posted on: 03 September 2017 by orlandobc
Innocent Bystander posted:

I don't have the Twenty 26, instead having the PMC EB1i, and I don't have experience of the 300, presently using a Bryston 4Bsst2, however possibly there is enough commonality to offer My observations.

I find what I have read about Naim's power amp design interesting, and the NAP300 is an amp I would be interested in hearing, though without such a burning desire that I would need in order to mount the 2-day expedition it would take for me to audition, and I would not risk it that amount on an unheard 'punt' - although if you are confident on selling on at the same price then no reason why not.

Naim afficionados say the amplification is designed to be paired as NAC+NAP, though I get the impression it is mainly because the pre is the prime source of the 'Naim sound'. But then a power amp might be a gentle way in. I do gather that the Naim power amps need ultrasonic frequencies filtering out if present in the signal, which is done by their preamps, so do check that your preamp or source do filter out very high frequencies if you go down that path. There are some on the forum who seem happy with Naim power amps without a Naim pre.

FWIW I don't feel my system is in any way clinical, just clear and with a full frequency range, giving a pretty  natural sound, at least to my ears (though the mid and treble can be bettered with better drivers, but thats another thread subject).

Hi everybody. Innocent Bystander has said that "the pre is the prime source of the 'Naim sound'". Dou you all agree? I am asking this because I am considering buying an ATC SMC40A next year. As it is an active speaker (I come from actively driven Linn Keilidhs and I know for sure what active speakers can do) I always wonder if I will still get a god deal of the "Naim sound" if I run them from an Naim preamp.

 

Posted on: 03 September 2017 by Dozey

Bryston would be the classic recommendation. They have a reputation for a refined valve like treble and strong bass.