Chord Sarum T speaker cables

I would never pay 1500 gbp for a sarum T USB cable, let's get real.

Why not try the shawline USB or the vertere USB much cheaper.

Nonsense you say. Hmm have you tried a single make and model loom in your system. This is the first time I have and not once did I ever feel there was an issue with my cabling previously at its respective price point. 

It maybe a Sarum T thing, but it may not be. It's extremely bizarre that swapping a USB cable has the same effect as swapping a set of speaker cables, but that's exactly what I hear.

As mentioned previously I hope to have some other looms later this week and this is one of the tests I intend to try. 

It could always be a one off, but interesting none the less.

analogmusic posted:

I would never pay 1500 gbp for a sarum T USB cable, let's get real.

Why not try the shawline USB or the vertere USB much cheaper.

 

No decisions made at this point, and certainly trying other cables. Just posting my observations.

If this indeed does turn out to be the cable set for me then so be it. I will just have to look at it as a job lot and not individual prices. 

One things for sure I've had boxes make far smaller improvements in my system than these cables have.

Talking of cheesy cables what about that craze a few years back of using mains twin and earth as loudspeaker cable? Never tried it but those that did sung its virtues 

Ravenswood10 posted:

Talking of cheesy cables what about that craze a few years back of using mains twin and earth as loudspeaker cable? Never tried it but those that did sung its virtues 

And GPO jumper cable for interconnects (and even speaker cable for the brave).

Ravenswood10 posted:

Talking of cheesy cables what about that craze a few years back of using mains twin and earth as loudspeaker cable? Never tried it but those that did sung its virtues 

Ah yes - good old solid core. Championed by Mr Hughes of Hi-Fi answers 

Must try some expensive speaker cables again some day... 

Moderated Post:  Foxman50, please read my comments at the bottom of your post on this thread from yesterday.  Thanks.

FOXMAN50 i`m quite curious how the RI-100 matches with the Sarum T cables. Please keep is informed

Evlampi posted:

FOXMAN50 i`m quite curious how the RI-100 matches with the Sarum T cables. Please keep is informed

That very nice chap, Jack, at the Audio Barn has let me know the TQ cables have arrived so I will be collecting them on Saturday. Hopefully by mid next week I should have a handle on the differences between the three sets. Will update once I've had some time with them.

That is provided I can get a post in without it being moderated, just kidding Richard

Ravenswood10 posted:

Talking of cheesy cables what about that craze a few years back of using mains twin and earth as loudspeaker cable? Never tried it but those that did sung its virtues 

It was better than the "bell wire" or 5A flat twin mains cable that were the alternatives at the time!  And the QED 79 and Monster cables that came after it weren't really an improvement, just a bit different.  It was only with the introduction of LC-OFC cables that anyone really made a significant improvement.

Huge posted:

Ravenswood10 posted:

Talking of cheesy cables what about that craze a few years back of using mains twin and earth as loudspeaker cable? Never tried it but those that did sung its virtues 

It was better than the "bell wire" or 5A flat twin mains cable that were the alternatives at the time!  And the QED 79 and Monster cables that came after it weren't really an improvement, just a bit different.  It was only with the introduction of LC-OFC cables that anyone really made a significant improvement.""

 

""Product Description

Yes, but they're all much later developments...

PCLC-OFC
Mogami Neglex
OCC-OFC
αOCC
Six Nines OFC

And a few others:  They're all much of a muchness really - just somewhat different ways of achieving the same end result.

In fact the basic principle is traceable back to Sir Joseph Whitworth and his pressure casting technique developed in the 1850s.

Allante93 posted:

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I'm no moaner, I believe better Cables can make a noticeable difference, depending on one's System!

 

I'm still using Nac A4/ Linn K 20

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Allante93!

 

I also agree cables can make a difference.

For interconnects from the 272 to the 300DR...  I use Mogami Neglex W2549.

For speaker cables to my Spendors, I've gone back to using a solid core cable...  But it's an LC-OFC solid core cable: DNM Resolution.

Huge posted:

Ravenswood10 posted:

Talking of cheesy cables what about that craze a few years back of using mains twin and earth as loudspeaker cable? Never tried it but those that did sung its virtues 

It was better than the "bell wire" or 5A flat twin mains cable that were the alternatives at the time!  And the QED 79 and Monster cables that came after it weren't really an improvement, just a bit different.  It was only with the introduction of LC-OFC cables that anyone really made a significant improvement.

QED 79 strand was my first foray into proper cables. Used it with my A60 and Celestion DL4s before I got the bug and got some Linn cable .

Ravenswood10 posted:

Huge posted:

Ravenswood10 posted:

Talking of cheesy cables what about that craze a few years back of using mains twin and earth as loudspeaker cable? Never tried it but those that did sung its virtues 

 

QED 79 strand was my first foray into proper cables. Used it with my A60 and Celestion DL4s before I got the bug and got some Linn cable .

Can't recall now, but I think it was the thickest Monster Cable they made!

But back in the day, Linn took care of the Front and the rear, whilst Naim handled the Middle!

LP 12 > 6 Packs > Briks!

Linn K-20/Naca A4

Lawsuit, Divorce, and the birth of Naca A5!

Allante93!

PS. Can't wait to experiment with this new posh Cabling, fortunately I live in the States!

Can't miss what you never heard!

Monkey Jim posted:

I'd bought wholeheartedly into the idea that consistency is a good idea when it comes to cables and had patiently been building up my Chord Sarum collection and liking the benefits it brought. I certainly thought the Chord Tuned Aray and Super Aray power cables brought benefits over the Naim Powerlines. That's where I started and I added the interconnects and streaming cable subsequently.

I was so surprised that Sarum T speaker cable didn't  continue that pattern especially as it would have completed a loom from the switch and power sockets all the way to the speakers. 

Maybe I should try other Super Lumina cables and maybe I'll find I ultimately prefer a Super Lumina loom to a Chord loom, who knows? My experience certainly doesn't disprove loom theory.

I do know that I am really enjoying the music it makes for now and whilst my slightly OCD mind is still telling me that a loom makes more sense, my ears tell me something different and so the best advice is probably, if it ain't broke don't fix it. And of course, the obligatory listen before you buy, if you can.

I had a very similar experience albeit with less lofty cables in the range. I am using Chord Chorus Reference for DIN/XLR and source inputs. I bought Chord Signature speaker cable thinking a full Chord loom would surely bring further advantage. In practice whilst it added more detail, it took a level of 'naturalness' away from the music (especially vocals) which didn't resolve even after three weeks plugged in. Back to a mixed economy now including Naca5 and really enjoying the sound again. This seems a particularly odd result because I have Kudos speakers and they use Chord cable internally!

whsturm posted:

Monkey Jim posted:

I'd bought wholeheartedly into the idea that consistency is a good idea when it comes to cables and had patiently been building up my Chord Sarum collection and liking the benefits it brought. I certainly thought the Chord Tuned Aray and Super Aray power cables brought benefits over the Naim Powerlines. That's where I started and I added the interconnects and streaming cable subsequently.

I was so surprised that Sarum T speaker cable didn't  continue that pattern especially as it would have completed a loom from the switch and power sockets all the way to the speakers. 

Maybe I should try other Super Lumina cables and maybe I'll find I ultimately prefer a Super Lumina loom to a Chord loom, who knows? My experience certainly doesn't disprove loom theory.

I do know that I am really enjoying the music it makes for now and whilst my slightly OCD mind is still telling me that a loom makes more sense, my ears tell me something different and so the best advice is probably, if it ain't broke don't fix it. And of course, the obligatory listen before you buy, if you can.

I had a very similar experience albeit with less lofty cables in the range. I am using Chord Chorus Reference for DIN/XLR and source inputs. I bought Chord Signature speaker cable thinking a full Chord loom would surely bring further advantage. In practice whilst it added more detail, it took a level of 'naturalness' away from the music (especially vocals) which didn't resolve even after three weeks plugged in. Back to a mixed economy now including Naca5 and really enjoying the sound again. This seems a particularly odd result because I have Kudos speakers and they use Chord cable internally!

How many hours did they get used during that 3 week period? Although Signature isn't  my favourite speaker cable, it does need a good few hundred hours to burn in and I suspect that Sarum T may will be likewise.

When I first got my Sarums a few years ago, they completely opened up after 600-ish hours of use and stepped up again at around 1000 hours. I note that several posters here have reported similar experiences with SL. You need to give them time.

I'm pleased to report that the ChordMusics I replaced them with sounded great from the start and then got even better.

600 to 1000 hours?

how does vertere bypass all this?

their cables do not need to run in and sound fantastic out of the box 

analogmusic posted:

600 to 1000 hours?

My Sarum T 5din interconnect sounded amazing out of the box. 

Dave J posted:

When I first got my Sarums a few years ago, they completely opened up after 600-ish hours of use and stepped up again at around 1000 hours. I note that several posters here have reported similar experiences with SL. You need to give them time.

I'm sorry I do not believe anyone is able to discern a change in sound over this kind of time period. 1000hrs at 24hrs/day is still 6 weeks.

I doubt my system sounds exactly the same on each listening session let alone over a 6 week period. Whether this is due to atmospheric conditions, mains pollution, RFI issues, who knows. How often do we read that our systems sound better late at night, this is then normally associated to lower mains pollution. However how many late listening sessions are not accompanied by a few glasses of the red stuff, other drinks are available .

I often put my systems enjoyment factor down to my own stress/relaxation levels, the more relaxed I am the better my system sounds. But again is this purely down to the fact I'm more in the mood to listen.

I would think the only true way to confirm this whole burn in process issue is to purchase two identical items, confirm they sound identical at the point of receipt, then put one away in a box for six months. After this period do a comparison and see how the two items compare.

If I was a betting man, and i'm not, I would guess the two would be closer than most of us would expect. Anyone up for the challenge.

I will add I will generally leave my system running, at very low levels, on a 24hr 7 day period just to be sure. While I would say the sound changes from immediate switch-on on day one, i'm not sure much change happens after the first day at least as far as I have been able to prove.

I am not sure whether there is a newer version for Chord Reference cable Sarum. I am using Chord Sarum Speaker cable & Sarum Tuned Array Interconnect & Sarum Tuned Array Power Cord (sorry forgot whether power cord got Tuned Array or not but definitely it is Sarum) in my Naim 500 series (all connections) to ProAc CP8 speaker. It sound just fine, much better than Naim's cables. I was using these cables for 3-4 years, and I think they are good enough for me, and no upgrade require at the moment.

Naim Super Lamina to me like Chord Epic level of cable (no offense but my honest view), and after compare to Chord, I still prefer Chord Sarum instead of Naim new cables. Please take note that Chord Sarum may not suitable for All Speakers. If for Tannoy Canterbury, I think Cardas will out-perform than Chord Sarum. HiFi is all about the matching. Good luck.

In what way is superlumina like chord epic ?

are we comparing apples to apples ?

to me SL sounds remarkably like Naca5 in terms of that fast rhythmic musicality while getting rid of all the weaknesses of Naca 5

many cables will open up the resolution but the real trick is do this while keeping the engagement of Naca5

analogmusic posted:

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many cables will open up the resolution but the real trick is do this while keeping the engagement of Naca5

Strangely enough that's just what I find that DNM Resolution does; however, to me, it appears very bass light compared to most other cables (including NAC A5).
(Which isn't at all a problem for me, as I use a sub.)