Upgrade bug/ where do I go from a superuniti

Either SN1 or 2 would, I think, be worthwhile. The SN1 has a built in DAC that you don’t need, but being older, you might get a good deal on one. I would also be on the lookout for a good used CDX2, which you could run into the SU while hunting for a Supernait. 

Been there. I actually put a 300dr on my SU on the way to the NDS and 552. 

The SU is a very good preamp. Putting a 250DR on it would be a great upgrade. I'd do that first and then think about the next step

Drewy posted:

Been there. I actually put a 300dr on my SU on the way to the NDS and 552. 

The SU is a very good preamp. Putting a 250DR on it would be a great upgrade. I'd do that first and then think about the next step

Starting with a SuperUniti, I added a 200DR, then NDX, and finally 282. The last of these 3 upgrade stages was the biggest jump in SQ by miles, so I concluded that the SU pre was really holding things back. 

ChrisSU posted:

Drewy posted:

Been there. I actually put a 300dr on my SU on the way to the NDS and 552. 

The SU is a very good preamp. Putting a 250DR on it would be a great upgrade. I'd do that first and then think about the next step

Starting with a SuperUniti, I added a 200DR, then NDX, and finally 282. The last of these 3 upgrade stages was the biggest jump in SQ by miles, so I concluded that the SU pre was really holding things back. 

Yeah in the end it is bound to hold things back and must move over but does perform well with a power amp upgrade. 

i would go for a modified version of Max B's recommendation: a CDX2, Supernait 1, and a Hicap DR. reasoning: i felt the Hicap did nice things for my Supernait when i had it; the Hicap can power a separate preamp if Richard, our OP, decides to go that route in the future; and the SN1 has an onboard DAC into which he can plug in a Sonos (or equivalent) for Internet radio, making playlists for parties, etc., should the urge strike. i realize streaming isn't his jam at the moment, but it's good to keep one's options open.

although the SN1 DAC isn't as good as the SU one is it? Have to say I've had pretty damn good results feeding a humble bluray player into my SU digital input. The SU DAC has the dejitter buffering stuff from  the Naim DAC so cuts some of the need for an integrated CD player... And of course a bluray player has a considerably more challenging job to do than a CD player in extracting an accurate digital signal from a disc

IME at least

How many boxes do you want to end up with. Or asked another way, how many boxes can you permit yourself to put on a rack in your listening room?  If you value a smaller number of boxes, I'd think about the SN2 rather than adding a power amp to the SU setup.  

I have SN2/HiCap2/NDS/555PS and I do not believe that I can significantly better the sound without adding to the box count.  When I can, I will seriously consider it.  

I heard 282/250.2 (pre-DR) in my home a number of years ago, and it did not 'blow me away' vs. SN2.

Bart posted:

How many boxes do you want to end up with. Or asked another way, how many boxes can you permit yourself to put on a rack in your listening room?  If you value a smaller number of boxes, I'd think about the SN2 rather than adding a power amp to the SU setup.  

I have SN2/HiCap2/NDS/555PS and I do not believe that I can significantly better the sound without adding to the box count.  When I can, I will seriously consider it.  

I heard 282/250.2 (pre-DR) in my home a number of years ago, and it did not 'blow me away' vs. SN2.

The Supernait2/Hicap2/NDS/555PS are 4 boxes and will need 4 levels of rack. The 282/HCDR/NAPSC/250 are also 4 boxes but can sit on 3 levels. I have 282/250/HCDR/NAPSC and Chord QBD76 altogether 5 components on a 4-tier rack.

Did you have the HCDR and NDS/555PS with the 282/250.2 in the same system when the setup was compared to the Supernait2? The comparison should ideally be made in the same system with the same speakers for a more meaningful conclusion. By the way, great system you have there in the NDS/555PS. I just realised this front end statement products are costlier than the 282/250DR/HCDR combined.

A bare 272 is exceptional with a 500DR - go figure

Due to the SU having  a relatively low market value at the moment I have decided to keep it for the time being.

My choice to improve the sound appears to be to add either

1.    SN1 with non-Naim PSU or Naim PSU. 

2.    Add a SN 2

3   Add a 250 -2

In the meantime I have exchanged the speakers for PMC 20 25s. The older version.

I really dont want to be spending more than 1600 per upgrade if poss.

I am prepared to sell my cyrus cd1 and psx along the way.

By the way, bought a mac mini and run roon with it to the SU dac  via a wireworld nova 6 cable and it is very close to the cdi.

Last question. Everyone refers to me as the OP. What does that stand for ?

Moderated post:  Richard, I have made a small edit to your post.  Please note that discussion of unauthorised modifications, which includes non-Naim power supplies, is not allowed. Non-Naim power supplies will not allow the equipment to perform as intended - at best performance is impaired, and at worst their use may well cause damage to any associated Naim equipment and may invalidate any Naim warranty that may exist.

OP Original Poster ie the person who started the thread.

best

David

Thanks. By the way , sorry Mr or Mrs moderator, didnt know I was not allowed to mention other manufacturers.

The moderator is Richard Dane. The rules are all set out at the top of the forum, but basically we can mention and discuss other manufacturers kit as much as we like, but as Richard says we can't discuss modifications to Naim kit and that includes particularly using non-Naim power supplies, although he isn't massively strict about casual mentions in passing. But discussion of the merits of non-Naim power supplies is off limits.

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David

There are two companies that cannot be mentioned at all: one makes amplifiers and power supplies and the other sells cables. 

To add to Nigel's post above, there are two companies/people who do not wish for either their name, their company name, or their products to be discussed on this forum. Naim have agreed to oblige.

Any mention of either the companies, people or products is either blocked or removed by the moderators.

As for the rules - please read through if you haven't already done so.

Richard Dane posted:

To add to Nigel's post above, there are two companies/people who do not wish for either their name, their company name, or their products to be discussed on this forum. Naim have agreed to oblige.

Any mention of either the companies, people or products is either blocked or removed by the moderators.

As for the rules - please read through if you haven't already done so.

I’m sure those who have been on the forum longer know which companies you are referring to, but I don’t.  How can one find out which companies can’t be mentioned if they can’t be mentioned?

Jeff

If you mention them, you’ll be moderated, and then you will know. It’s a Catch 22: I could name them but it would be moderated and then you wouldn’t be any the wiser anyway. Just let it go. 

Interesting

The moody blues once lost them......

Hungryhalibut posted:

If you mention them, you’ll be moderated, and then you will know. It’s a Catch 22: I could name them but it would be moderated and then you wouldn’t be any the wiser anyway. Just let it go. 

Yes, that’s the problem, contravening the unknown rules is the only way to know you’ve broken them.  Somewhat Kafkaesque.  Reminds me of The Castle.  

What perplexes me is why a company that makes Hifi gear wouldn’t want to be discussed on a forum devoted to same.  Which is really the only reason I want to know.  

Gazza posted:

The moody blues once lost them......

Ah, but which one?

They were searching for them...

Ahh,...that strikes a..... with me.

And if i remember correctly werent status quo stuck looking for the forth one too,? 

Sorry moderation. Silly, but fun... and no breaking of the rules

Could someone please answer the question that I placed ? About the non/forbidden naim hardware?

Thans