Have to say as someone who is interested in a 272 but has just seen his SU residual hit by the Nova (not a complaint just an observation) I think I'll wait and either buy a 272 replacement or a used 272 when the replacement is launched.

JedT posted:

Have to say as someone who is interested in a 272 but has just seen his SU residual hit by the Nova (not a complaint just an observation) I think I'll wait and either buy a 272 replacement or a used 272 when the replacement is launched.

So you're in no particular hurry then?

ryder. posted:

GraemeH posted:

Having had all of the kit discussed in this thread at some point or other, some of it for many years, I'm bemused by some of the comments. I had 8 boxes at one time (252/300/ndac/555 leve) and now find the 272/250DR bare really does hold its own. It has a beautiful sonic signature which just gets on with communicating the music.

imho

G

Actually all Naim amps are able to communicate the music. It's just that some amps communicate better than others though that's more toward the listener's own taste or preferences.

It is interesting that you downgraded from the 252/300/NDAC/555 and find the 272/250DR to satisfy. One thing is for sure, 2 boxes are a lot better than 8 !

No, no, no... each to his (or her) own of course, but think of the advantages of a multi-box system... my central heating bills have halved, the cat has somewhere warm to sleep and the gentle green glow in the dead of night is oh so reassuring...

JedT posted:

Have to say as someone who is interested in a 272 but has just seen his SU residual hit by the Nova (not a complaint just an observation) I think I'll wait and either buy a 272 replacement or a used 272 when the replacement is launched.

The Nova will almost certainly hit used prices on the 272 as well, so things may not be so bad for you.

joe9407 posted:

Mikie -- i found that the Dyna 10x5 was unequivocally better when partnered with the Dyna P75 phono stage instead of the Stageline N. (like, a no-doubter!) i'd encourage you to have a listen to this combo. and with the P75, you won't need a powered socket on whatever preamp you upgrade to.

--joe

Apparently there is a mark IV coming out and the UK distributor is waiting on stock arriving. When they come in I will be getting a demo loaner to give it a try. 

Originally my reasoning for looking at the 272 was to cut the box count but still add streaming capability.

I don't really "listen" to streamed music more just background music to save having to flip sides very 15-20 mins. So the sound quality is not a huge issue but the usability is. I do have a massive music collection in iTunes, not all bought from there but I find it good for a library and most in Apple lossless ( I know it isn't everyones cup of tea) and I use Tidal Premium but for serious listening then it's vinyl.

So for me blasting £2k+ on an NDX would be pretty frivolous , the 272 route would only work if the pre amp was better then the 202 to justify the upgrade now that I have it all working and sounding fantastic. Hopefully borrow my dealers one at the weekend and see how it sounds.

As has been said already streaming is moving at such a fast pace it's maybe better to not get to carried away spending a small fortune on a streamer that will be out of date by the time you open the box. 

You want to try streaming but don't want to spend big bucks and SQ isn't a huge issue, right? Take a Raspberry Pi bundled with a Hifiberry DAC+. It's all you need for now and it costs under £100. If you want usability try Roon. Then you can wait until Naim gets its streaming thing properly sorted.

rjstaines posted:

ryder. posted:

GraemeH posted:

Having had all of the kit discussed in this thread at some point or other, some of it for many years, I'm bemused by some of the comments. I had 8 boxes at one time (252/300/ndac/555 leve) and now find the 272/250DR bare really does hold its own. It has a beautiful sonic signature which just gets on with communicating the music.

imho

G

Actually all Naim amps are able to communicate the music. It's just that some amps communicate better than others though that's more toward the listener's own taste or preferences.

It is interesting that you downgraded from the 252/300/NDAC/555 and find the 272/250DR to satisfy. One thing is for sure, 2 boxes are a lot better than 8 !

No, no, no... each to his (or her) own of course, but think of the advantages of a multi-box system... my central heating bills have halved, the cat has somewhere warm to sleep and the gentle green glow in the dead of night is oh so reassuring...

 

What does SWMBO have to say about this?

'You're doing the dusting, Roger'?

William posted:

rjstaines posted:

It is interesting that you downgraded from the 252/300/NDAC/555 and find the 272/250DR to satisfy. One thing is for sure, 2 boxes are a lot better than 8 !

No, no, no... each to his (or her) own of course, but think of the advantages of a multi-box system... my central heating bills have halved, the cat has somewhere warm to sleep and the gentle green glow in the dead of night is oh so reassuring...

 

What does SWMBO have to say about this?

Now that the kids have 'flown the nest', William, we have a 'his' and 'hers' lounge... this is the 'his' lounge.

We also have this unspoken arrangement... I don't moan about her smoking herself to death and she doesn't complain about my audio set up...  works quite well really 

...most of the time.

Hungryhalibut posted:

'You're doing the dusting, Roger'?

Another of those unspoken rules in the household, HH,  she doesn't go within 10 feet of the Fraim rack,  so 'yes',  I do the dusting & the hoovering. 

(with all due respect to your own more minimalist choice HH)

rjstaines posted:

No, no, no... each to his (or her) own of course, but think of the advantages of a multi-box system... my central heating bills have halved, the cat has somewhere warm to sleep and the gentle green glow in the dead of night is oh so reassuring...

 

That's 15 boxes there. Looking great. Nobody would dispute the advantages of a multi-box system, though one would not only need the space but (a lot of) money to have all that.

By the way, the main selling point of the 272 is the, well you know what, apart from sound quality. The multi-box systems get a bit of slagging once in a while when they are compared to the 272-based systems (including mine) though my 4-box Naim pales miserably compared to your setup.

Enjoy~

rjstaines posted:

ryder. posted:

No, no, no... each to his (or her) own of course, but think of the advantages of a multi-box system... my central heating bills have halved, the cat has somewhere warm to sleep and the gentle green glow in the dead of night is oh so reassuring...

 

Your money may be long, but life is short!

Enjoy the moment, I got to get that Imgu, or what ever it's call. No more photo bucket!

A picture is worth a thousand words!

Heck of a system!

When it's all said and done, it's really personal!

Allante93!

PS. But I do love the Pecking Order!

S1>552>252>282>272>202

Marque Separates!

But face the facts, we are a dying Breed!

Nova, Star, Core, etc....

Enjoy your Chord Music!

Oops wrong thread!

Ok Ryder, same wavelength, you beat me to it!

Allante93!

PS. 

Timmo1341 posted:

JedT posted:

Have to say as someone who is interested in a 272 but has just seen his SU residual hit by the Nova (not a complaint just an observation) I think I'll wait and either buy a 272 replacement or a used 272 when the replacement is launched.

So you're in no particular hurry then?

Ha! No I'm not. Was enjoying my system hugely last night. One of those occasions when I thought I'd have a cheeky half hour listen and ended up going to be 2 hours later... And when I upgrade I like to make a big step forward rather than tweaking. Could be that a 272 isn't that or at least not without XPS or 555

But if the streaming engine in the new Uniti range is really superior to Naim's prior generation than how long can they continue to market premium products with inferior technology? I think it will have to get implemented before long.

I suspect it will be sooner rather than later, and hopefully Naim have learned from the launch of the new boxes not to announce things until they are ready. The 272 is a big seller for Naim and as soon as a replacement is announced the sales of the existing one will die. Whether the new streaming engine makes much of a sonic difference to a recent box with latest Naim build is anyone's guess. 

"Whether the new streaming engine makes much of a sonic difference to a recent box with latest Naim build is anyone's guess."

Quite. And given that my SU and the app are stable on my network I would probably buy a 2nd hand 272 if the new version is not sonically as opposed to functionally better. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

I suspect it will be sooner rather than later, and hopefully Naim have learned from the launch of the new boxes not to announce things until they are ready. The 272 is a big seller for Naim and as soon as a replacement is announced the sales of the existing one will die.

{Whether the new streaming engine makes much of a sonic difference to a recent box with latest Naim build is anyone's guess.}

I tend to agree, with the Bracketed text!

Furthermore, when its all said and done,the Bean counters are in Control!

"Join us on Saturday 14th October at The AudioBarn to experience the legendary Naim Sound. We will be demonstrating our ever popular NAC N-272 paired with the 555PS, Supercap DR, Snaxo 242 and NAP 250 DR. There will also be a Naim expert on hand to answer any questions you may have."

The 272 is the Sweet Spot!

The Golden Middle!

All in one units ~ 2  Millennials 

{Digital Pre-Amp} ~ NAC 272 ~ Streaming Pre

Marque Separates ~ Baby Boomers 

JMHO!

Allante93!

PS. Focal/Naim

Ovators, 555 CD, XS Series

Nice job of Streamlining!

But Naim's Snaxo coupled with Kudos!

I don't get! 

I thought Focal was a Speaker Manufacture!

Wow! JEDT, you beat me to it.

Same wavelength!

JedT posted:

Timmo1341 posted:

JedT posted:

Have to say as someone who is interested in a 272 but has just seen his SU residual hit by the Nova (not a complaint just an observation) I think I'll wait and either buy a 272 replacement or a used 272 when the replacement is launched.

So you're in no particular hurry then?

Ha! No I'm not. Was enjoying my system hugely last night. One of those occasions when I thought I'd have a cheeky half hour listen and ended up going to be 2 hours later... And when I upgrade I like to make a big step forward rather than tweaking. Could be that a 272 isn't that or at least not without XPS or 555

But if the streaming engine in the new Uniti range is really superior to Naim's prior generation than how long can they continue to market premium products with inferior technology? I think it will have to get implemented before long.

 

 

As a past owner of the SU, I can confirm the 272 is a significant step up bare, and a huge one with a 555PS. 

Whether or not Naim replace all their Classic streamers in near future remains to be seen. 

Having said that, as I'm reasonably confident of decent trade in rates from my dealer, when it happens and a 372 (or whatever they designate the new streamer/pre - minus power supply) makes its appearance I'll happily audition and, if it proves to be a significant improvement, ship out the 272.

Let's face it, there's very little difference between this and car ownership. If you want the latest bells and whistles you have to be prepared to pay. There are some on this forum who seem preoccupied with what they see as value for money and paying as little as possible. That's fine, but they will never be early adopters with that approach. These are all choices each of us have to make. No right, no wrong, no better - just different, dependent upon circumstances and priorities.

In the past I was an early adopter of many new technologies, hell, i am typing this reply on a Mac Pro which I have had since launch, probably one of the first in the UK as I had it up and running before my local Apple store even had stock. Had many of Lotus Cars incarnations over the years when the launched etc etc.

Being an early adopter is great if you like having the latest and shiniest, however, especially with new tech, you are running the risk of first paying to be a product tester for the company and second you might be left with something that doesn't mature the way you thought it would and hence end up with an obsolete product after a comparatively short period of time. This can be an extremely expensive exercise when it comes to high end products such as Naim, Apple et al.

Now a days, I wait at least a year after the launch of anything, except phones , to see if it first has legs in the market place and second to let some other poor sap work the bugs out.

Just my 2p

Timmo1341 posted:

Having said that, as I'm reasonably confident of decent trade in rates from my dealer, when it happens and a 372 (or whatever they designate the new streamer/pre - minus power supply) makes its appearance I'll happily audition and, if it proves to be a significant improvement, ship out the 272.

Let's face it, there's very little difference between this and car ownership. If you want the latest bells and whistles you have to be prepared to pay. There are some on this forum who seem preoccupied with what they see as value for money and paying as little as possible. That's fine, but they will never be early adopters with that approach. These are all choices each of us have to make. No right, no wrong, no better - just different, dependent upon circumstances and priorities.

Not to worry Timmo, With the 272 being so popular, I doubt we'll be seeing a 372 in the near future!

The Bean Counters wouldn't allow that to materialize.

As to your analogy between autos and Hi-fi, I'm not sure about.

I haven't heard an Nac 52, nitro oxidized with a six-pack, powering a pair of DBLs, but from what I hear, Special Indeed!

Even Today!

Now a 427 1967 Corvette, Special Indeed, but maybe not a:

Yes the 272 is already redundant..........

Having now looked closer at the 272 if I read this correctly I see there is no powered input for the stage line which would need a HC to power it and the 272 can only be upgraded using an XPS XS, XPS or 555ps. 

Is there any alternatives as the N-272 doesn't appear in the connection guide from Naim as far as I can see.

Mike,

Correct but you can also power Stageline from the Flatcap. 

Regards,

Lindsay