Naim app metadata

Posted by: tony69 on 15 September 2017

Hi all, brand new forum member as of this very morning despite having had Mu-So x 3 for a while and now an Atom....  

can anybody help me with a challenge on the Naim app??  I use an InnuOS ZenII mini media server and have ripped my 500 CDs...  three albums as I have seen thus far, all Queen Of The Stone Age rip perfectly well on the Zen and can be viewed through any other media app to be albums by the correct artist..  however, on the Naim app it will not pick up QoTSA as the artist.  In fact it picks up some random metadata, real names but not artists, that seems to have absolutely nothing to do with the real artist... it then will not recognise the even 'fake artist' to catalogue the  albums under that name...  effectively the Naim app orphans these albums from the Artist......

I have ripped (assisted) direct into Zen, ripped without assistance (i.e. I can inspect the metadata first), rip to apple lossless on Mac, then convert to FLAC, then import to Zen....  every which way results in the Zen correctly cataloguing the albums against the correct artist but the Naim App screws up this metadata and orphans the album from the artist (i.e. Won't list it against the artist), and puts in the same random  names as the artist.  InnuOS, iPeng etc all see the correct metadata when looking at the same source, but not the Naim app...  any ideas???

Posted on: 16 September 2017 by tony69

I pinged a mail to Naim support as suggested...  thank you

Posted on: 16 September 2017 by Huge

The browsing screens take their data directly from the Media Server and ONLY display the data that the DLNA Media Server presents.  If there's an error in the data here it's because of the data that the Media Server presented to the app.  This can appear to be the case if a different browse index is selected when using a different control points (i.e. apps) to do the browsing.

On the other hand I believe the data displayed on the 'Now Playing' screen (or at least part of it!) is obtained from the Naim streamer hence this can appear inconsistent with the browsing information dependant on the metadata tags that the Media Server selected for the browsing screens.

Posted on: 16 September 2017 by tony69

Hi Huge...  when you say 'obtained from the Naim streamer', do you mean the Atom is picking up metadata from somewhere other than the app and media server???

the baffling part of this issue is that no software tried thus far can see where the source of the metadata mixup resides, therefore its, thus far unresolvable...  I will be posting on InnuOS forum too btw

Posted on: 16 September 2017 by Huge

I believe that on the 'Now Playing' screen the data for some data fields is obtained from the streamer rather than being obtained from the Media Server.

The app itself isn't a data source other than to send DLNA commands to the streamer (i.e. the DLNA player) & the DLNA Media Server and use commands to load track ID's into the streamer's playlist for it to play those tracks.

 

Are you certain that you are selecting the same Browse Indices from the server in each of the apps you use?

Posted on: 16 September 2017 by Klout10

Huge, I believe you might have a point. I'm not sue if the app looks for metadata at the same location, I've described my findings in another topic (see my post of September 7th):

https://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/uniti-core-metadata

Posted on: 17 September 2017 by DrPo

@T69, you have already checked that other apps display the metadata correctly.

What about checking if one of the "problematic" tracks is displayed properly on your streamer if served by a server other than the ZenII? I presume you don't have a NAS (otherwise you would have tried it) but you can serve from e.g. a PC by installing a temp UPNP server (twonky or asset or even co figuring foobar to act as a server). If you have a Mac I am not sure what options are available but I am sure there will be some.

Posted on: 17 September 2017 by audio1946

there was  a time that  this issue  rattled me alittle . but after years of streaming is it worth the hassle    artist number of tracks and maybe titles is good  but the merit is access to your music.    over 3600 cds very few blank data. ive listen to more of my cds than I did before. jobs a goodun 

Posted on: 17 September 2017 by Odd Time Jon

great perspective!