500 Series Integrated Amp

Hmm, problem is they overegged this latest Uniti launch and we will probably only get to know about the next one at a hifi show a few months out...... back to where we a years or so ago. Probably a good thing IMO.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

In the light of the Unitis and Statement I raised the question of the Classic amps being revamped at a Naim event and the response was negative in that the DR upgrades were just that. 

I think that is probably right but Naim will never give out key product development information for commercial reasons.

It would appear that digital technology is still advancing at a pace sufficient to justify significant product development and 'new' product launches, particularly in the streaming arena whereas analogue amplification technology appears to be rather mature other than what could be considered as enhancements such as DR rather than radical developments.

I do expect an ND* 2 embracing (and developing on) the new technology/software from the new Uniti line but it would seem sensible to milk the considerable benefits of DR before moving onto the next big thing in the analogue realm, assuming there will be a big new thing in analogue technologies. I am not sure if Statement Lite is a realistic proposition but who knows?

nigelb posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

In the light of the Unitis and Statement I raised the question of the Classic amps being revamped at a Naim event and the response was negative in that the DR upgrades were just that. 

I think that is probably right but Naim will never give out key product development information for commercial reasons.

 

Indeed they won't

Itegrated 500 is asking to much i think but a REGULATED and doubie rail dr ps supernait that is a realistic wish.

Richard Dane posted:

The problem is that you begin to come up against certain fundamentals that cannot be avoided.  Physically separating power supplies from sensitive amplification stages - particularly low level signals - is one such.  The way around it is to make a big package - think the Statement pre-amp where the power supply is down in the base and then there's the acrylic "joint" with the actual pre-amp itself in various isolated  "rooms" above.   

A 500 series integrated is certainly possible but it is  always going to be a compromise compared to the exact same bits in separate boxes.  It's a question of "how much?" in in both cost, compromise and performance...

But that compromise could be interesting for many. My dealer told me, that it is nearly impossible for him to sell separates, but integrated amps at a (price) level as 500 and much more. Christoph

Ghettoyout posted:

This week I rebuilt my 500 series kit from scratch after having the livingroom redecorated. It's quite a palver building two stacks taking into account best practice as regards box placement, cable dressing and the like. There's a bit of a sheen to the sound at the moment that I'm sure will go away when it all gets warmed up.

But it got me thinking how much easier it would be if there was a 500 quality integrated amp out there. Four boxes down to one, a lot less cabling and fewer shelves on the rack. Has anyone heard such a beast or know of one? I think it is something Naim should ponder. Could be a game changer.

Best etc.,

Ghetto Yout'.

Once Again, I apologize for being late to the Party!

Quiet as it's kept, Naim's Integrated Amp, is worth it's weight in Gold!

552

252/282

272/202

SN 2

With you "Being a dyed in wool Naim Sheep", perhaps you should give it a listen!

Enjoy Your Music!

Allante93!

PS.

The Audiobarn

272> Snaxo 242>2 x 250 DR> 707s

Not A Bad Rig!

Just Saying!

leni v posted:

Itegrated 500 is asking to much i think but a REGULATED and doubie rail dr ps supernait that is a realistic wish.

I think that's much more likely, especially if it includes some of the circuit isolation techniques from the Nova - it then becomes a logical progressive development based on existing known reliable principles.

Huge posted:

leni v posted:

Itegrated 500 is asking to much i think but a REGULATED and doubie rail dr ps supernait that is a realistic wish.

 Huge, I think that's much more likely, especially if it includes some of the circuit isolation techniques from the Nova - it then becomes a logical progressive development based on existing known reliable principles.

@ Huge, I see your ears are open, couldn't agree more!

I would imagine, Naim was forced to Streamline, to make room for the Nova Age!

Speakers, XPS line, Reference CDP!

The Millennial age Good-Bye Baby Boomers!

@ leni, I have no hands on experience, but I do share your view on the SN 2.

From what I hear, it's the Integrated 500, the OP has in Mind!

What's your take on the SN 2 compared to Naim's Popular 272?

Allante93!

PS. Audiobarn!

 Please Excuse automated testing texting

christoph posted:

 ... My dealer told me, that it is nearly impossible for him to sell separates, ...and much more. Christoph

Exactly, wonder how many 202 they sell nowadays, hardly any I believe

Even the 152xs is discontinued

I don't think its a matter if they will release a UltraNait its a matter if they choose a statement design or it can be pressed down into a Nova box ? My votes goes for a Statement variant design, it will require a much higher pricing than a poor Supernait, investors would dictate.

As the Statement S! and the two mono amps come in at nearly £ 170K and the 552/500 are just under £40k this leaves a financial gap of about £130K.

If there was sufficient interest and the resources available then there could be a slot to be filled for a pre/power amplifier just under say £100K, although I wouldn't be in the queue! On the other hand if you could drop £100K on an amplifier you probably  can afford  £170k anyway. Just a thought, but I can't see it happening.

Douglas.

Allante93 posted:

Huge posted:

leni v posted:

Itegrated 500 is asking to much i think but a REGULATED and doubie rail dr ps supernait that is a realistic wish.

 Huge, I think that's much more likely, especially if it includes some of the circuit isolation techniques from the Nova - it then becomes a logical progressive development based on existing known reliable principles.

@ Huge, I see your ears are open, couldn't agree more!

I would imagine, Naim was forced to Streamline, to make room for the Nova Age!

Speakers, XPS line, Reference CDP!

The Millennial age Good-Bye Baby Boomers!

@ leni, I have no hands on experience, but I do share your view on the SN 2.

From what I hear, it's the Integrated 500, the OP has in Mind!

What's your take on the SN 2 compared to Naim's Popular 272?

Allante93!

PS. Audiobarn!

 Please Excuse automated testing texting

I can't understand anything you're saying.

Probably because nothing’s being said. 

The likes of globalization, automation, and the Panama papers has impacted the Consumer Market Drastically! 

Sign of the Times!

Consider ourselves lucky, The Golden Age of MUSIC, Naim's Black Box Era:

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Enjoy Your Music, The Why!

Allante93!

 PS. If only that ignore button would work! LOL...

I was disappointed that Naim dropped the DAC from the SN when upgrading it to the SN2. We use the SN1 DAC for everything. The cost of having to get another external DAC has prevented me from considering the SN2.

douglas posted:

As the Statement S! and the two mono amps come in at nearly £ 170K and the 552/500 are just under £40k this leaves a financial gap of about £130K.

If there was sufficient interest and the resources available then there could be a slot to be filled for a pre/power amplifier just under say £100K, although I wouldn't be in the queue! On the other hand if you could drop £100K on an amplifier you probably  can afford  £170k anyway. Just a thought, but I can't see it happening.

Douglas.

My guess we are in the ballpark between SN & 552/500

Pretty much a wide margin and a free jump is £9995 but it could easy be doubled

Allante93 posted:

Huge posted:

leni v posted:

Itegrated 500 is asking to much i think but a REGULATED and doubie rail dr ps supernait that is a realistic wish.

 Huge, I think that's much more likely, especially if it includes some of the circuit isolation techniques from the Nova - it then becomes a logical progressive development based on existing known reliable principles.

@ Huge, I see your ears are open, couldn't agree more!

I would imagine, Naim was forced to Streamline, to make room for the Nova Age!

Speakers, XPS line, Reference CDP!

The Millennial age Good-Bye Baby Boomers!

@ leni, I have no hands on experience, but I do share your view on the SN 2.

From what I hear, it's the Integrated 500, the OP has in Mind!

What's your take on the SN 2 compared to Naim's Popular 272?

Allante93!

PS. Audiobarn!

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Sorry, never heard neither the sn2 nor the 272.my naim experiense consists :nait2,42/140,and my present 250/72/hcdr.stil have the nait2 in a second system.would love to try real hi end naim integreted should naim decides to produce one.(as with a one box real hi end cd player).still waiting

572 then

The 552/500 is a superb integrated amp. One of the best you can buy anywhere. Possibly a shame that it comes in four boxes. Probably not, if you consider why.

Emre posted:

572 then

no, please a nait 500!

Harry posted:

The 552/500 is a superb integrated amp. One of the best you can buy anywhere. Possibly a shame that it comes in four boxes. Probably not, if you consider why.

Agreed  150%

There you go again, just stop it! 

Perhaps Naim's PRAT is directly related to it meticulous attention to detail and its Upgrade Path to Music Utopia! 

Baby Boomers, The Golden Age Of Music:

  

 

THE GOLDEN AGE OF MUSIC! 

Marque Separates is The Best Sound Naim can Deliver. 

The Statement, for the 1%

The 500 Series 

252/282 > 300/250

272/SN2 > 300/250

Don't take my word, I have no experience, Ask Naim! 

Enjoy your Music, The Why! 

Allante93!

PS. Please excuse my broken English, if you can't understand me, just push the Ignore Button! 

HH's Systems Pics is Nice, The How! 

Thanks In Advance! 

Allante, I don't wish to ignore you (yet) but as English is not my native language

What do you mean by

"The Why" & "the How" ?

Perol posted:

Allante, I don't wish to ignore you (yet) but as English is not my native language

What do you mean by

"The Why" & "the How" ?

 

A while back, a gentleman posted a thread about WHY we buy Hi-Fi components.

Simple Answer, to listen to Beautiful Music!

Often that simple answer is ignored, and the topic is focused on A vs B.

300 DR vs 500 DR

282 vs 252

Passive 552 vs Active 552

Which is Great, a member has some extra cash, and would like the Forum to share their experiences.

But when it's said and done, the most important factor is the Music!

We like to listen to Beautiful Music!

That's all!

Now the HOW, is the manor in which we got to our final System!

Example:

Started with Naim's Integrated Amp.

SN 2

A year later, decided to shut down the amp section of the SN 2, and upgrade another Black Box.

SN 2 > 250 DR

A year later decided to upgrade to Naim's Marque Separates.

Sold my SN 2 and Now:

SCDR > 282 > 250 Dr = 3 Black Boxes

Vs

SN 2 = 1 Black Box

End of Example.

This is what drives the Forum.

I hope I explained that clear!

Allante93!

PS. Another one I got from the Forum:

You can't miss, what you haven't heard!

Hence, Enjoy your Music, which is WHY one buys Hi Fi components.

Allante93 posted:

Perol posted:

Allante, I don't wish to ignore you (yet) but as English is not my native language

What do you mean by

"The Why" & "the How" ?

 

A while back, a gentleman posted a thread about WHY we buy Hi-Fi components.

Simple Answer, to listen to Beautiful Music!

Often that simple answer is ignored, and the topic is focused on A vs B.

300 DR vs 500 DR

282 vs 252

Passive 552 vs Active 552

Which is Great, a member has some extra cash, and would like the Forum to share their experiences.

But when it's said and done, the most important factor is the Music!

We like to listen to Beautiful Music!

That's all!

Now the HOW, is the manor in which we got to our final System!

Example:

Started with Naim's Integrated Amp.

SN 2

A year later, decided to shut down the amp section of the SN 2, and upgrade another Black Box.

SN 2 > 250 DR

A year later decided to upgrade to Naim's Marque Separates.

Sold my SN 2 and Now:

SCDR > 282 > 250 Dr = 3 Black Boxes

Vs

SN 2 = 1 Black Box

End of Example.

This is what drives the Forum.

I hope I explained that clear!

Allante93!

PS. Another one I got from the Forum:

You can't miss, what you haven't heard!

Hence, Enjoy your Music, which is WHY one buys Hi Fi components.

 

 

 

I.

Still.

Can't.

Understand.

Anything.

You.

Say.

Winky!

Perol posted:

Allante, I don't wish to ignore you (yet) but as English is not my native language

What do you mean by

"The Why" & "the How" ?

 

The How is what {Drives} the Forum.

In other words, why we participate within

THE NAIM FORUM!

Example:

An ongoing thread this very moment:

Preamp:

christoph posted:

Emre posted:

572 then

no, please a nait 500!

Actually, what I'd really like to hear is the ND555,  this new top of the line naim streamer we keep dreaming about.