from olive to classic

I’d keep the amplifier and improve the CD player and speakers. It’s worth setting out your post properly if you want comprehensive answers, as it’s really hard to read. 

I agree, you should upgrade your source first. Then, unless you really want to reduce box count, I would consider a preamp upgrade, to maybe a 282 (as you already have a HicapDR) or maybe a 52 or 252. 

If you've owned your gear from new, has it been serviced? It's possible that all the amp needs is a service, careful setting up, and then maybe you'll be happy with what you've got?

question was simple.what SQ changes will i get in the described swap. and yes everyitem is fuiiy serviced.hh understand what you mean but the long informative introduction was in order to eliminate the usual question  like what room what music etc...now improving source with better naim stuff is arelativly easy but changing MY amp to sn2/hcdr can be adisapiotmenthence my questions.thanks anyway

Leni,

I used to own a factory serviced 32.5, so similar to a 72 (without the time alignment boards), a hicap and a chrome bumper 250. I have also owned a 32.5/hicap2/135 amp. Finally, I have auditioned a supernait2 but without a hicapDR.

Eithout going into the forensic analysis of hifi-speak, I think that your current amp is going to be more capable & musical than the excellent supernait2.

I would therefore concur with HH; go buy a better source such as a used CDS3 with either XPS or 555PS power supply (yes, I have owned both). This should give you what you are looking for in spades. Of the 2 power supply choices, the XPS makes music sound more polite/civilised/sophisticated/delicate/uninvolving (pick your favourite from these). The 555PS makes the CDS3 play music with more life/drive/engagement/resolution/ artificial, chrome plated over-emphasis (again, pick your personal preference here). I prefer the 555PS, while others such as Simon in Suffolk prefer the CDS3 with the XPS. Either option is a good one.

Hope this helps, FT

Sorry I lost the will to read your post about ten lines in, so I've no idea what you are looking for.

best

David

Leni I totally agree with HH and Foot Tapper. You have an excellent amp set. Do NOT change it 

What you need to look at is your source. A second hand CDS3 with external power supply would sound wonderful in your system. Or maybe think of a non-Naim CD transport into a Naim DAC - others here may have more experience on this and be able to recommend something, more than me 

Whatever, don't panic, you have the basis of a really great system there 

P.S. David Hendon , Leni is clearly not a native speaker so why the nasty post ????? HH, Foot Tapper and I could clearly understand what Leni was saying. Maybe your post says more about you than Leni ?

FT thanks for your helpful comments,thanks also to you ww you are very kind,as for you dh you are a real pai

Leni, I could work out what you were asking, but it was quite hard, as you don't leave gaps between sentences or use any capital letters. It's always best, whether a native English speaker or not, to set out questions clearly, which makes it far easier to answer. If you make an effort yourself, people will make an effort to respond as helpfully as they can. 

This is meant to be helpful, not patronising, so please read it that way. Your amplifier is really good, and I'd say better than a Supernait. If, as others have suggested, you getva better CD player - the CDS3 would be ideal - and some better speakers, you would have a really fine setup. 

Leni hi.  I concur with what the guys said a CDS3 would be excellent.   One other point to consider what type of support you have for your electronics.  The CDS3 in particular is sensitive to this so a Quadraspire or similar would be good. 

Good luck.  

Lindsay

leni v posted:

my sistem'250-72-hcdr-cd5xs-kef 104/2/my room 5.5/4m/sistem in the middle of the long wall 2m apart position 2m from center of speakers. music mostly baroque and classic' violin and strings important also piano and harpsicord so nead to avoid bleeding ears. on the other hand big orchestra ana chorus vary important so need SCALE DETAIL air beetween insstruments and VOICES but again no bleeding ears.also i like human voices style sinatra mel torme sarah vaughan.to my question; considering replacing my olive gear  to supernait2/hcdr and i need to know from members who did this switch what to expect.what differences in SQ in the areas i mentioned above. whats to gain and whats to lose. (by the way i am the first owner of all my equipment) also iplan later to upgrade my cd player and speakers but that is asubject  for another post

I'd get the pre/poweramp serviced as it could be quite old

Perhaps look for a second hand Rega Isis cd-player, many prefer these to CDS3/psu and its one box less

Or add a Flatcap/hicap to your current source, this is a great upgrade imo and you don't need to buy new.

Your speakers are old, soft and coloured in sound, if you like them, keep them

They do not represent any decent value so take your time to go listen what you like, speakers are very personal thing, one person like brand "A" another brand "B" and so on..people usually recommend what they have at home but will that help you ?..nah..go and listen to find your own favorite. Should they be placed near corners, free in room or close to backwall ?

It could be Audiovector, Neat, Kudos, Proac, B&W, Kef, Focal, Quad, Magnepan, PMC, ATC, Spendor, Harbeth, Dali, Shahinian, Yamaha, Klipschorn, Rega, Naim, Linn, Living Voice, Dynaudio, Rogers, Graham or perhaps others, choice is massive as you see and above is not my recommendation, just a pointer for you what to look out for. Perhaps you end up with entirely different choice.

Thank you guys ,that was more helpful.HH i had a look again all my sentences were foolstoped by the way .

Another vote for a CDS3 here given your taste in music and the improvements that you wish for. Your amps are a bit of a classic.

Stu

Foot tapper posted:

Leni,

I used to own a factory serviced 32.5, so similar to a 72 (without the time alignment boards), a hicap and a chrome bumper 250. I have also owned a 32.5/hicap2/135 amp. Finally, I have auditioned a supernait2 but without a hicapDR.

Eithout going into the forensic analysis of hifi-speak, I think that your current amp is going to be more capable & musical than the excellent supernait2.

I would therefore concur with HH; go buy a better source such as a used CDS3 with either XPS or 555PS power supply (yes, I have owned both). This should give you what you are looking for in spades. Of the 2 power supply choices, the XPS makes music sound more polite/civilised/sophisticated/delicate/uninvolving (pick your favourite from these). The 555PS makes the CDS3 play music with more life/drive/engagement/resolution/ artificial, chrome plated over-emphasis (again, pick your personal preference here). I prefer the 555PS, while others such as Simon in Suffolk prefer the CDS3 with the XPS. Either option is a good one.

Hope this helps, FT

Your description above on the XPS and 555PS has some correlation to the Hicap DR and its non-equivalent (non-Naim) unit when used with the NAC 282. Similarly I prefer the delivery of the 555PS(in my case Hicap DR). Some folks like polite, civilised, tidy and delicate but as you say - uninvolving, sounding a little flat.