Naim active Kudos

Thats nice to know Jon, I would have liked to have been there to hear the big Kudos as at some point the Art's may need to be changed. 

Sadly though we couldn't make it.

Did anyone else have any impressions on the big Kudos?

regards

PB

Apologies Jon, I did not see you had opened this thread when I posted my thoughts on today's demo at Audiobarn which went on the end on the existing 'Active 606/707?' thread.

Polarbear posted:

 

Did anyone else have any impressions on the big Kudos?

 regards

 PB

I was ever so impressed with the 707's at Acoustica's show earlier this year, again, as above, actively driven by 2 X 250DR.

"Lifelike" is how I thought they sounded, playing some Rory Gallagher.

Mind you, can't see me parting with those MF9's! 

nigelb posted:

Apologies Jon, I did not see you had opened this thread when I posted my thoughts on today's demo at Audiobarn which went on the end on the existing 'Active 606/707?' thread.

No apologies needed! Getting this important news out there is the big thing. 

nigelb posted:

Apologies Jon, I did not see you had opened this thread when I posted my thoughts on today's demo at Audiobarn which went on the end on the existing 'Active 606/707?' thread.

I just thought the same thing!

PS. Those Darn Active Fans! LOL......

Kudos seems to be the (only) way to go now if you want to build a new active system with Naim. And several people have confirmed that Kudos active with 2x250 sound better than passive with 300. 

Both important news IMO. 

I'd have thought it would drum up some interest from S10A and S20A owners too. It gives them another route to get the most out of their speakers. 

james n posted:

I'd have thought it would drum up some interest from S10A and S20A owners too. It gives them another route to get the most out of their speakers. 

Absolutely. I`ve decided to hold my possibly costly speaker cable purchase (to optimize system) to see what comes out of the active stuff. Though, I have no problems to enjoy system as it is in the meantime.

S

Stover posted:

james n posted:

I'd have thought it would drum up some interest from S10A and S20A owners too. It gives them another route to get the most out of their speakers. 

Absolutely. I`ve decided to hold my possibly costly speaker cable purchase (to optimize system) to see what comes out of the active stuff. Though, I have no problems to enjoy system as it is in the meantime.

S

I don't have much experience  with Naim, but gentleman like Stover & James are familiar with the upgrade route that Naim has proposed.

I may be wrong, but it appears, Naim has favored it's Active Systems as an end game upgrade within one's System.

"We believe that the best way to do the job is to intercept the musical signal as it leaves the pre-amplifier and use a powered [active] crossover (an electronic filtering network) to separate the highs from the mids and the lows. This, naturally, means that we need to use more power amplifiers: one for each band of frequencies. And more loudspeaker cables, of course: one from each amplifier to its dedicated loudspeaker driver connection. 

This is, of course, more expensive than any passive system arrangement but we are convinced - as are many satisfied customers - that the results justify the additional expenditure. Active systems typically sound more precise, clear and controlled than passive systems. The result is music that sounds more like music and less like a hi-fi system. In part this is because active systems inherently produce less distortion than passive systems. [Sorry, for being technical but it's a fact!] "

Just Saying!

An Active Fan!

PS. Frequently Asked Questions:

What does DB's Active System Sound like?

Will an Active System enhance my SN2 ?

Will I hit the Lotto? LOL.....

Thanks for the reports on the event.  Seems like we're all coming to the same conclusion...

Naim need to build more SNAXOs 

Audiovector sr3 series and sr6 can also be driven active. The only disadvantage is that you need 3 amps to go active with audiovector.

Claus-Thoegersen posted:

Audiovector sr3 series and sr6 can also be driven active. The only disadvantage is that you need 3 amps to go active with audiovector.

Personally I think it's an advantage, now we're talking, a true 3-way speaker.

When it comes to an Active System, it's all about the speaker, taking the internal crossover out of the equation. 

The OP,  can speak on that, he has the same disadvantage with his DBLs.

l had the same disadvantage, with my Briks!

I see it as an advantage, if one has a true 3-way speaker, their are 2 distinctive crossover points!

Unfortunately, in the world we live in, there's a direct relationship between price and quality.

Enjoy Your Music!

Allante93!

PS. Audiovector sr3 series and sr6 can also be driven active. 

I bet they are nice!

Can't find it now, but I seem to recall, a gentleman on this form, collaborating with Vivid Audio and Naim.

"Vivid Audio Giya G3 loudspeaker ... The four-way speaker, designed by Laurence "Dic" Dickie."

Naim's own Snaxo, and Mr. Dickie's four way G3s.

I bet that gentleman, has a Sweet System!

Is it just me, Naim can Collaborate with Kudos.

Naim can Collaborate with Vivid.

Maybe one day, Naim may decide to collaborate with Focal!

Just saying!

I know, another Topic! LOL......

Allante93!

jfritzen posted:

Kudos seems to be the (only) way to go now if you want to build a new active system with Naim. And several people have confirmed that Kudos active with 2x250 sound better than passive with 300. 

Both important news IMO. 

 

it really seems so, or alternatevely Vivis Gya, althought the latter are much more expensive and probably less room friendly

Regards

Roberto

"Vivis Giya"

I confess I find it hard to take seriously something that looks like the opera singer from The Fifth Element.

jon honeyball posted:

"Vivis Giya"

I confess I find it hard to take seriously something that looks like the opera singer from The Fifth Element.

 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I tend to agree with you jon !

But they didn't sound bad at all, fronted with Naim's NDS, dual 555's and the Statement!

{David Michael's Audio, hosted by the esteem Manu, at Audio Plus.}

These were the Vivids third tier speakers, not the G1s, six foot bowling pins @  {69K}, but a smaller version the G3s {40K}

But the sound was seamless, you know what I mean Jon, Dibbles a true three way design.

But these babies have three distinctive crossover points, can't locate it this moment, but a gentleman on the Forum was fortunate enough to bring Lawrence Dickie and Naim's Snaxo together. {4 way design}

4 x (500)  & a tricked Snaxo, ok getting long winded.

Back to the Seminar:

Everyone was overwhelmed, except me, I noticed the lack of inky Darkness at rest.

Kinda reminds you when some days you can hardly tell if your Speakers are on, and some days you can hum along with Mr. Transformer!

They had to address my concerns, and the reply was an industrial zone.

Of Course, I was tactful! 

But in any event, they were extremely transparent, with the NDS taking care of the front end. 

Later I still wasn't completely satisfied, untill the owner, David Michael, fire up an one of his favorite tunes, the three distinctive crossover points coupled with Dickies computer aided passive crossover doing its thing.

Wow!

When the Bass was called upon, Astounding!

Enjoy Your Music! The Why we do this!

Allante93!

PS. 20K is a lot of Cash for a pair Speakers, less known 40K, to trash the Crossover!

If one is An Active Fan best VFM:

DBLs/Briks {2 distinct crossover points}

NBLs/SL2s

SBLs

Please Correct me if I'm incorrect.

WHERE IS THE HONOR IN BEING RIGHT!

Lawrence Dickie on Active Speakers:

LD: When I first joined forces with Philip [Guttentag], I was firmly dedicated to active-only solutions. I thought that the only way of getting a decent, matched, prescribed filter function was to use an active filter. But one of the essential parts of why our partnership works is that Philip has a realistic perspective on things. He was quite frank: "To start with an active solution, we might as well just chuck the money into the sea and go fishing. We would absolutely be shooting ourselves in the foot to start with active loudspeakers. We are making a product that is difficult enough as it is. From a design perspective it is an expensive loudspeaker from an unknown brand. All those things. We do not need to add ‘active’ to the list of reasons why people won’t buy it."

Allante93!

PS. If Interested a nice read:

http://www.soundstageultra.com...vivid-audio-part-two

jfritzen posted:

Kudos seems to be the (only) way to go now if you want to build a new active system with Naim. And several people have confirmed that Kudos active with 2x250 sound better than passive with 300. 

But 2x250 vs passive 500 is the question burning on everyones lips...

Debs

naim_nymph posted:

jfritzen posted:

Kudos seems to be the (only) way to go now if you want to build a new active system with Naim. And several people have confirmed that Kudos active with 2x250 sound better than passive with 300. 

But 2x250 vs passive 500 is the question burning on everyones lips...

Debs

The burning question indeed Debs.

I have heard passive 300DR vs active 2 x 250DRs with the Titan 707s and preferred the active set up but I have to say both power amp arrangements were superb, even with a modest 272/555PS feeding them.

At a show in the East on 3/4 Nov there will be a chance to hear 552/active 2x300DRs/707s. I hope to get there and will let this fine place know what I think if I do go.

You could surmise that if active 250DRs beat passive 300DR then active 300DRs have the capability to beat passive 500DR. But what does 'beat' mean and when did logic come into HiFi?

Anyway I have never heard two little 250DRs sound so stunning! Interesting times.

jfritzen posted:

Kudos seems to be the (only) way to go now if you want to build a new active system with Naim. And several people have confirmed that Kudos active with 2x250 sound better than passive with 300. 

Both important news IMO. 

 

Not correct Audiovector speakers can be run active but needs 3 amps so more expensive. 

Claus

Claus-Thoegersen posted:

jfritzen posted:

Kudos seems to be the (only) way to go now if you want to build a new active system with Naim. And several people have confirmed that Kudos active with 2x250 sound better than passive with 300. 

Both important news IMO. 

 

Not correct Audiovector speakers can be run active but needs 3 amps so more expensive. 

Claus

 

There's a SNAXO for Audiovector speakers?

sunbeamgls posted:

Claus-Thoegersen posted:

jfritzen posted:

Kudos seems to be the (only) way to go now if you want to build a new active system with Naim. And several people have confirmed that Kudos active with 2x250 sound better than passive with 300. 

Both important news IMO. 

 

Not correct Audiovector speakers can be run active but needs 3 amps so more expensive. 

Claus

 

There's a SNAXO for Audiovector speakers?

A standard Snaxo just matched to work with Audiovector sr3 or sr6 models.

Claus

sunbeamgls posted:

Thanks for the reports on the event.  Seems like we're all coming to the same conclusion...

Naim need to build more SNAXOs 

Couldn't Agree more.

Allante93!

PS.  Focal/Naim

Naim Speakers/Briks

Kudos

Vivid G2

Audiovector

Focal ?

Claus-Thoegersen posted:

jfritzen posted:

Kudos seems to be the (only) way to go now if you want to build a new active system with Naim. And several people have confirmed that Kudos active with 2x250 sound better than passive with 300. 

Both important news IMO. 

 

{Not correct Audiovector speakers can be run active but needs 3 amps so more expensive.}

Claus

 

Naim Debuts its Reference CDP.

2007 CES SHOW:

CD555>282>SC>Snaxo 362>3 x 250.2

Naim's iconic DBLs

A True 3-way Speaker ~ 3 Amps

Briks A True 3-way Speaker~ 3 Amps

The price one pays, when seeking perfection.

Allante93!

PS. Haven't met the Gent, but I hear he running Active Ovators with 3 x 500s and an S1 Pre-Amp.

Astounding!

Allante93!

Is your Christmas present getting there? Or will it be 2018 until you complete your system by the sacrosanct Snaxo?

Ardbeg10y