Blimey, the 272 is even better than I thought it was...
Posted by: hungryhalibut on 19 October 2017
I’ve been using my beloved 272 since June 2015, with the addition of an XPSDR in autumn that year. Yesterday I installed a brand new 555 PS DR, with a new S-XPS Burndy. Rather like when I bought the XPS two years ago I didn’t try the 555 first, and when I picked it up from the shop Dan from Naim was there for a Uniti open day. All Dan said was ‘you’ll love it, even straight out of the box’. And he was right, and then some. I thought the system was sounding great before, but the 555 has moved it to a different level. The music is so much more real, leaping out of the speakers in a much more lifelike way. Everything is clearer, so you get more into the music. The speakers sound a lot bigger too, which I imagine is the impact of the power supply on the preamp. Five hours later to was sounding better still, and of course things will improve further over the coming weeks.
It’s bloody expensive, it weighs a ton, but blimey it’s good. The idea of a £6,500 power supply on a £3,500 streaming preamp is perhaps bit odd, but the combination is just incredible. I know there are a few others using this combination, and that they have said how much better the 555 makes the 272, and perhaps I underestimated how much difference it would make: now I have one at home I am very much over rather than underwhelmed, which is always good.
Congratulations Nigel, that came out of the blue! Enjoy the impact that your upgrades bring, a just compensation following the accident!
Stu
Nigel - regarding SL interconnects between 272 and 300. Can you just buy another of the type you have already (as it can be used for either channel of the 300) or do Naim do specific mono versions for the 300 / 500 ?
james n posted:Enjoy Nigel
Punctuation determines if HH is to enjoy more music or more whoopee!
The 250 lead is stereo, whereas the 300 leads are mono. Two 250 leads will work, but the advice from Naim was that a pair of mono leads will sound better. The other, practical, thing to bear in mind is that these leads take forever to run in, so if you added a new lead when you already have a well run in one, is that the two channels will very likely sound different for a good while.
I must say that, listening to the new Anouar Brahem album now, I wonder how it can get better. But, of course it will. That’s the way it is.
Clive B posted:james n posted:Enjoy Nigel
Punctuation determines if HH is to enjoy more music or more whoopee!
The ideal is, of course, both.
stuart.ashen posted:Congratulations Nigel, that came out of the blue! Enjoy the impact that your upgrades bring, a just compensation following the accident!
Stu
Thank you. I very deliberately said nothing, to avoid any ‘you don’t want to do this, you want to do that’ stuff. I do feel very fortunate: as well as still being alive I am now retired and can enjoy fantastic music at home. Things could be a lot worse.
Hungryhalibut posted:Clive B posted:james n posted:Enjoy Nigel
Punctuation determines if HH is to enjoy more music or more whoopee!
The ideal is, of course, both.
It's surprising just what the PS555DR can do!
My 300 didn't have quite the grunt demanded by my nbl's - it wasn't far off and I loved the mids and highs. I suspect given the physical dimensions/ drivers, that the 300 will be a perfect match for the sl2's. May it exceed expectations second time around!
Hope the upgrades all gel together nicely for end of year time (too early to mention!) and that your recovery is well progressed following a bit of a pig of a time you and yours must have endured.
Peter
Thanks Peter. Things have been really, really awful at times but we are now coming out the other end. I’ve been given ill health retirement, which means we are financially secure, and is such a weight off my mind that it’s hard to express, and we have received a modest interim settlement, which at least means that the insurers accept liability. I have two more medico- legal specialists to see later in the year, then hopefully my solicitor can put the claim together. He hopes it will be concluded by next August, two years after the accident. I’m learning to live with the problems that the brain injury cause me in day to day life and have learned to focus on what I can do rather than what I can’t. It’s been interesting!
Hungryhalibut posted:Timmo1341 posted:I hate to say 'I told you so' but....!
I seem to remember someone ridiculing the very concept of spending twice as much as the source upon its power supply. What I find interesting is the unquestioning enthusiasm when HH spends his money compared with the lukewarm reaction given to others of lesser standing. It was ever thus!
Enjoy your new acquisition HH - I hope the 300DR suits your room and speakers better than it did mine.
I’ve had a 300 SL2s previously, about ten years ago, and it was a fantastic upgrade over the 250. It makes the speakers sound twice the size - almost as big as yours! Based on past experience, I have total confidence that it will work well.
I don’t think people get different responses according to who they are; it just depends on who responds and what their views are. I’ve had Naim long enough and am confident to make decisions, and I’m not bothered what others think. You can be sure that, as eggs is eggs, those who think the 272 is an overhyped piece of junk will be along soon enough!
Will you keep the SL2s, or are there any other speakers, Naim or otherwise, that you might hanker after trying?
SBLs perhaps
First of all congrats to HH for the PS555 and for sharing with us that indeed it makes a difference to the 272.
As to why the PS555 sounds much better than XPS, it's very obvious when looking at the internal pictures, to me it is the best power supply that Naim make, better than Supercap !
Hungryhalibut posted:Thanks Peter. Things have been really, really awful at times but we are now coming out the other end. I’ve been given ill health retirement, which means we are financially secure, and is such a weight off my mind that it’s hard to express, and we have received a modest interim settlement, which at least means that the insurers accept liability. I have two more medico- legal specialists to see later in the year, then hopefully my solicitor can put the claim together. He hopes it will be concluded by next August, two years after the accident. I’m learning to live with the problems that the brain injury cause me in day to day life and have learned to focus on what I can do rather than what I can’t. It’s been interesting!
Great to hear Nigel. Over the years a few friends have fallen and been lost and I am a strong believer that keeping one's pecker up is a massive component to a positive recovery and equally important to never lose sight off. I suspect the 300DR will only help in that regard!!
Peter
PS555 DR
XPSDR
stuart.ashen posted:SBLs perhaps
I was thinking more Titans or ProAcs (surgically removes tongue from cheek!).
analogmusic posted:First of all congrats to HH for the PS555 and for sharing with us that indeed it makes a difference to the 272.
As to why the PS555 sounds much better than XPS, it's very obvious when looking at the internal pictures, to me it is the best power supply that Naim make, better than Supercap !
I’m not convinced that looking at pictures can ever explain how things sound, but it certainly explains why it was so heavy when I was carrying it from the shop to the car.
Life is all too short and having lost my neighbour last year, and now I hear an old work colleague has cancer, it helps put life into perspective. We cannot take the cash to the grave, so why not enjoy the things we love, friends, family holidays and of course our music. Enjoy the 555PS, it will be a revelation.....
Tim - as to alternative speakers, the answer is absolutely not. We have allocated a sum of money and the 555 and 300, and the wires, have used it up. The SL2s may be long discontinued but they are a truly wonderful speaker, enormously capable. And a wall hugger is pretty well essential when one’s room is 3.6m wide. They are a complex, over-engineered design and goodness knows how much they would cost if made today - very probably getting on for £10,000.
Hi Nigel,
Congrats on the newly acquired 555PS DR, and the upcoming 300 DR.
As others have said, the power supply really seems to bring out the best of any system, and, once the 300 DR and SL XLR interconnects arrive you will be in a very happy place.
I demoed a 272 earlier this year, together with the same power supply and power amp, and was highly impressed.
Glad to read also that you're feeling somewhat better these days, and adjusting into retirement.
Hungryhalibut posted:stuart.ashen posted:Congratulations Nigel, that came out of the blue! Enjoy the impact that your upgrades bring, a just compensation following the accident!
Stu
Thank you. I very deliberately said nothing, to avoid any ‘you don’t want to do this, you want to do that’ stuff. I do feel very fortunate: as well as still being alive I am now retired and can enjoy fantastic music at home. Things could be a lot worse.
At the end of the day everyone is happy
Naim the factory, the dealer, the customer (HH), the people which purchase the leftover kit at reduced prices, the people who didn't like to hear 3 box promotion, people who likes 4 box promotion, people who buys HH's kit in two years time or so at reduced prices. The SuperUniti promotion is long forgotten too I guess.
I'm sorry to hear about bad experience with the Planar, they are great decks but perhaps not quite up to 272/555 in all fairness
Regards
Mouthwash
HH - I wondered if that was what you were up to !
Your system sounded great before, so no doubt it sounds even better now. I hope you enjoy your retirement and lots of good music, I am sure you will.
Regards,
Al
analogmusic posted:it's very obvious when looking at the internal pictures,
Blimey' thats like saying pictures tells the whole story, you can't be more wrong even your possible right this time
I guess some nice new shoes, handbags, jackets and a couple of holidays to keep the other half happy are next. Enjoy.
Hungryhalibut posted:Thanks Peter. Things have been really, really awful at times but we are now coming out the other end. I’ve been given ill health retirement, which means we are financially secure, and is such a weight off my mind that it’s hard to express, and we have received a modest interim settlement, which at least means that the insurers accept liability. I have two more medico- legal specialists to see later in the year, then hopefully my solicitor can put the claim together. He hopes it will be concluded by next August, two years after the accident. I’m learning to live with the problems that the brain injury cause me in day to day life and have learned to focus on what I can do rather than what I can’t. It’s been interesting!
Thats the best news I've heard in a while Nigel!!! a light at the end of what must have been a very dark tunnel, & its not just another repairman's lamp, its sunshine. I hope it is concluded at least on time if not before. I say that with deep distrust of anything related to insurance, I have an outstanding house/building claim thats now in its 11th year.
Enjoy the new addition to the Naim family.