winky's new bike!

Lovely looking bike.

Enjoy your rides!

steve

So glad you posted that as I am having a love-in with Ti bikes at the moment; see below. I'd also been giving the forum a break for a couple of months but you have sucked me back.

Much as bare metal looks great (and lasts well) I do like a bit of colour with a Ti frame. I like your choice, I think the metal looks lovely with the green. I like the seriously hourglass profiled seat stays, and details like the bottle cages that match the curves well. I'm not quite there with discs for on road use myself. I'm guessing yours is going to get more all-surface use. Incidentally I've run CK hubs on a wheelset for 3 years now and hardly had to adjust them.

I just completed my new custom Ti Moots Vamoots. My 'bad weather' road bike until now was an eastern European Ti frame from Ebay that was fine as far as it went but did not really fit me. My three road bikes now all have identical custom geometry.

The frame has etched decals in gold for a bit of bling, the standard matt Moots finish and matt carbon Ritchey bars, post and stem plus the Moots standard Enve fork. Wheels are Ritchey too (not new for this bike) and the groupset is Campag Chorus. Saddle Fizik-as per all my other bikes. Headset is from Tune not CK as it matched the gold colour better. Shallow eh.

Have now added Raceblades and a good coating of road muck. The ride is impressive, very tight and surprisingly snappy compared to my old one, yet with that great Ti suppression of 'buzz'. As with all American bikes with current exchange rates it was not cheap but it is very, very lovely and the build quality is fantastic. I already have a Moots YBB MTB so I knew what to expect from them.

Bruce

Winky.

It’s a nice looking bike, but spoiled by one thing IMO. The garish wheel decals. Is it possible to remove them.

If not you should be charging the wheel manufacture for advertising space.

A Cervelo C3. I mostly do the same ride daily, and here in the Montreal area, roads are noticeably getting worse each passing year, so I needed something more comfy.

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

So glad you posted that as I am having a love-in with Ti bikes at the moment; see below. I'd also been giving the forum a break for a couple of months but you have sucked me back.

Much as bare metal looks great (and lasts well) I do like a bit of colour with a Ti frame. I like your choice, I think the metal looks lovely with the green. I like the seriously hourglass profiled seat stays, and details like the bottle cages that match the curves well. I'm not quite there with discs for on road use myself. I'm guessing yours is going to get more all-surface use. Incidentally I've run CK hubs on a wheelset for 3 years now and hardly had to adjust them.

I just completed my new custom Ti Moots Vamoots. My 'bad weather' road bike until now was an eastern European Ti frame from Ebay that was fine as far as it went but did not really fit me. My three road bikes now all have identical custom geometry.

The frame has etched decals in gold for a bit of bling, the standard matt Moots finish and matt carbon Ritchey bars, post and stem plus the Moots standard Enve fork. Wheels are Ritchey too (not new for this bike) and the groupset is Campag Chorus. Saddle Fizik-as per all my other bikes. Headset is from Tune not CK as it matched the gold colour better. Shallow eh.

Have now added Raceblades and a good coating of road muck. The ride is impressive, very tight and surprisingly snappy compared to my old one, yet with that great Ti suppression of 'buzz'. As with all American bikes with current exchange rates it was not cheap but it is very, very lovely and the build quality is fantastic. I already have a Moots YBB MTB so I knew what to expect from them.

 

Bruce

Seriously nice. Moots have always been a class act. The gold touches are great. I love that you've gone with Campagnolo. That's where my heart is and I've ridden nothing-but since 1984, with the exception of one Shimano Dura-Ace Trek in the middle. My previous two road bikes (A C59 and BMC Pro-machine - still have them) are Campagnolo. The Naked is my first Shimano bike in 13 years, as I wasn't ready to take a punt on Campagnolo's very first disc-brake groupset. There are aspects of Shimano ergonomics that are definitely behind Campagnolo, although some things are admittedly better. Functionally, it's about even in my view. Aesthetically, Campagnolo leaves Shimano in the dust (mud?).

I looked seriously at Moots as an option for my bike, but they were surprisingly expensive, and in the end I preferred a local, smaller builder in the end.

My choice of discs was more due to the amount of wet-weather riding I do, rather than the gravel duties. I commute every day, regardless of weather, all year-round. The winters are wet, here in Vancouver. Rim brakes just don't work as well in the wet (and wear out rims at a dramatic rate), and so I found myself limiting my routes to where there wasn't a lot of hard downhill braking. This meant missing out on some great riding through the winter.

fatcat posted:

Winky.

It’s a nice looking bike, but spoiled by one thing IMO. The garish wheel decals. Is it possible to remove them.

If not you should be charging the wheel manufacture for advertising space.

 

 

I don't disagree. I'd prefer something less obvious for sure. I've not looked into removing them, but will!

pt109 posted:

A Cervelo C3. I mostly do the same ride daily, and here in the Montreal area, roads are noticeably getting worse each passing year, so I needed something more comfy.

Nice. I've heard really good things about that frameset. I love that it doesn't have slidy, springy, rattly, or kinked bits like many new carbon "all-road" frames.

winkyincanada posted:

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

So glad you posted that as I am having a love-in with Ti bikes at the moment; see below. I'd also been giving the forum a break for a couple of months but you have sucked me back.

Much as bare metal looks great (and lasts well) I do like a bit of colour with a Ti frame. I like your choice, I think the metal looks lovely with the green. I like the seriously hourglass profiled seat stays, and details like the bottle cages that match the curves well. I'm not quite there with discs for on road use myself. I'm guessing yours is going to get more all-surface use. Incidentally I've run CK hubs on a wheelset for 3 years now and hardly had to adjust them.

I just completed my new custom Ti Moots Vamoots. My 'bad weather' road bike until now was an eastern European Ti frame from Ebay that was fine as far as it went but did not really fit me. My three road bikes now all have identical custom geometry.

The frame has etched decals in gold for a bit of bling, the standard matt Moots finish and matt carbon Ritchey bars, post and stem plus the Moots standard Enve fork. Wheels are Ritchey too (not new for this bike) and the groupset is Campag Chorus. Saddle Fizik-as per all my other bikes. Headset is from Tune not CK as it matched the gold colour better. Shallow eh.

Have now added Raceblades and a good coating of road muck. The ride is impressive, very tight and surprisingly snappy compared to my old one, yet with that great Ti suppression of 'buzz'. As with all American bikes with current exchange rates it was not cheap but it is very, very lovely and the build quality is fantastic. I already have a Moots YBB MTB so I knew what to expect from them.

 

Bruce

Seriously nice. Moots have always been a class act. The gold touches are great. I love that you've gone with Campagnolo. That's where my heart is and I've ridden nothing-but since 1984, with the exception of one Shimano Dura-Ace Trek in the middle. My previous two road bikes (A C59 and BMC Pro-machine - still have them) are Campagnolo. The Naked is my first Shimano bike in 13 years, as I wasn't ready to take a punt on Campagnolo's very first disc-brake groupset. There are aspects of Shimano ergonomics that are definitely behind Campagnolo, although some things are admittedly better. Functionally, it's about even in my view. Aesthetically, Campagnolo leaves Shimano in the dust (mud?).

I looked seriously at Moots as an option for my bike, but they were surprisingly expensive, and in the end I preferred a local, smaller builder in the end.

My choice of discs was more due to the amount of wet-weather riding I do, rather than the gravel duties. I commute every day, regardless of weather, all year-round. The winters are wet, here in Vancouver. Rim brakes just don't work as well in the wet (and wear out rims at a dramatic rate), and so I found myself limiting my routes to where there wasn't a lot of hard downhill braking. This meant missing out on some great riding through the winter.

Thanks Winky

My first proper bike was a s/h Colnago with Campag and I've continued to ride only that ever since on all my road frames. I swap wheels around between bikes so having different systems would be a pain, ditto having discs on one bike and not the others.

The Ritchey wheels in the photo have a black anodized coating to the braking surface which makes wet weather braking quite a lot better than usual, especially with the right pads. Dry weather stopping is really sensational. It is wearing through in places though so not a perfect solution.

Bruce

This is developing into a fabulous bike-fest thread

It's about time we had a positive bicycle-centric topic!  

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

Thanks Winky

My first proper bike was a s/h Colnago with Campag and I've continued to ride only that ever since on all my road frames. I swap wheels around between bikes so having different systems would be a pain, ditto having discs on one bike and not the others.

The Ritchey wheels in the photo have a black anodized coating to the braking surface which makes wet weather braking quite a lot better than usual, especially with the right pads. Dry weather stopping is really sensational. It is wearing through in places though so not a perfect solution.

Bruce

Those hardened, textured rims are indeed just fabulous in terms of braking. Durable, too - but as you say, not perfect. They certainly close the gap to discs in my view. With direct-mount, hydraulic calipers, they would likely match discs in power and modulation. I have a Mavic Exalith set which were awesome, and am currently using a Campagnolo set (can't recall their marketing name for the treatment) which were slightly less awesome and are wearing a bit more quickly. An added bonus of the hardened rims is that the super-hard brake pads last forever!

That I wanted bigger tyres than I could get on my Colnago was one of the main reasons for the n+1 bike. Discs just make that easier. For 40mm tyres, it's virtually your only choice. I actually don't see the two bikes overlapping much in terms of use.

Winky

That is a beautiful bike. And absolutely, life is far too short for s**t bikes. Enjoy it for what-ever ride.

Better not let Don see this thread......................................................... bl@@dy cyclists !!!!  

Oh, and Winky, a beautiful bike indeed  

winkyincanada posted:

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

Thanks Winky

My first proper bike was a s/h Colnago with Campag and I've continued to ride only that ever since on all my road frames. I swap wheels around between bikes so having different systems would be a pain, ditto having discs on one bike and not the others.

The Ritchey wheels in the photo have a black anodized coating to the braking surface which makes wet weather braking quite a lot better than usual, especially with the right pads. Dry weather stopping is really sensational. It is wearing through in places though so not a perfect solution.

Bruce

Those hardened, textured rims are indeed just fabulous in terms of braking. Durable, too - but as you say, not perfect. They certainly close the gap to discs in my view. With direct-mount, hydraulic calipers, they would likely match discs in power and modulation. I have a Mavic Exalith set which were awesome, and am currently using a Campagnolo set (can't recall their marketing name for the treatment) which were slightly less awesome and are wearing a bit more quickly. An added bonus of the hardened rims is that the super-hard brake pads last forever!

That I wanted bigger tyres than I could get on my Colnago was one of the main reasons for the n+1 bike. Discs just make that easier. For 40mm tyres, it's virtually your only choice. I actually don't see the two bikes overlapping much in terms of use.

I have Mavic wheels with the Exalith surfaces. They’re very good and I like the noise. I’m not keen on disks on a road bike. The Dura Ace calipers are superb and better than the cable operated disk brakes on my winter bike.

Wugged Woy posted:

Better not let Don see this thread......................................................... bl@@dy cyclists !!!!  

Oh, and Winky, a beautiful bike indeed  

Too late Woy !

Winky was willing to pay 20p per mile to cycle to work in the rain.....

.... and now we all appreciate why  ! Small price to pay to glide through Stanley Park on his new head-turning people-mover !

Drewy posted:

winkyincanada posted:

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

Thanks Winky

My first proper bike was a s/h Colnago with Campag and I've continued to ride only that ever since on all my road frames. I swap wheels around between bikes so having different systems would be a pain, ditto having discs on one bike and not the others.

The Ritchey wheels in the photo have a black anodized coating to the braking surface which makes wet weather braking quite a lot better than usual, especially with the right pads. Dry weather stopping is really sensational. It is wearing through in places though so not a perfect solution.

Bruce

Those hardened, textured rims are indeed just fabulous in terms of braking. Durable, too - but as you say, not perfect. They certainly close the gap to discs in my view. With direct-mount, hydraulic calipers, they would likely match discs in power and modulation. I have a Mavic Exalith set which were awesome, and am currently using a Campagnolo set (can't recall their marketing name for the treatment) which were slightly less awesome and are wearing a bit more quickly. An added bonus of the hardened rims is that the super-hard brake pads last forever!

That I wanted bigger tyres than I could get on my Colnago was one of the main reasons for the n+1 bike. Discs just make that easier. For 40mm tyres, it's virtually your only choice. I actually don't see the two bikes overlapping much in terms of use.

I have Mavic wheels with the Exalith surfaces. They’re very good and I like the noise. I’m not keen on disks on a road bike. The Dura Ace calipers are superb and better than the cable operated disk brakes on my winter bike.

I agree. While I'm not in the market for a new road bike to replace my Colnago C59; If I was, I would likely not seriously consider discs. Although modern rim brakes are superb, they all give up a bit in the wet (and with Exaliths much less-so), and they don't accommodate larger tyres. This bike is for a different purpose.

winkyincanada posted:

Drewy posted:

winkyincanada posted:

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

Thanks Winky

My first proper bike was a s/h Colnago with Campag and I've continued to ride only that ever since on all my road frames. I swap wheels around between bikes so having different systems would be a pain, ditto having discs on one bike and not the others.

The Ritchey wheels in the photo have a black anodized coating to the braking surface which makes wet weather braking quite a lot better than usual, especially with the right pads. Dry weather stopping is really sensational. It is wearing through in places though so not a perfect solution.

Bruce

Those hardened, textured rims are indeed just fabulous in terms of braking. Durable, too - but as you say, not perfect. They certainly close the gap to discs in my view. With direct-mount, hydraulic calipers, they would likely match discs in power and modulation. I have a Mavic Exalith set which were awesome, and am currently using a Campagnolo set (can't recall their marketing name for the treatment) which were slightly less awesome and are wearing a bit more quickly. An added bonus of the hardened rims is that the super-hard brake pads last forever!

That I wanted bigger tyres than I could get on my Colnago was one of the main reasons for the n+1 bike. Discs just make that easier. For 40mm tyres, it's virtually your only choice. I actually don't see the two bikes overlapping much in terms of use.

I have Mavic wheels with the Exalith surfaces. They’re very good and I like the noise. I’m not keen on disks on a road bike. The Dura Ace calipers are superb and better than the cable operated disk brakes on my winter bike.

I agree. While I'm not in the market for a new road bike to replace my Colnago C59; If I was, I would likely not seriously consider discs. Although modern rim brakes are superb, they all give up a bit in the wet (and with Exaliths much less-so), and they don't accommodate larger tyres. This bike is for a different purpose.

I really do need disc brakes for my winter bike, road conditions change dramatically around here during the winter months, too damp or right puddled up, far too muddy in too many places, and disc wheels have the advantage of more clearance above the tyres [ even using 700 x 32 tyres ] so clods of mud, grit, and the wet can slush right though without scraping, brake callipers tend to fail this exercise by not having enough room for mudguards which cause clogging up with mud especially around the brake blocks, and there's also the problem with wet weather grit grinding between brake-blocks and rims. So discs & mudguards for winter is the essential combination IME, However i'm very impressed with the Ultegra direct mount callipers on my summer bike which have an excellent feel to the braking performance, and weight-saving of around half a kilo compared to a disc bike.

Debs

winkyincanada posted

I agree. While I'm not in the market for a new road bike to replace my Colnago C59; If I was, I would likely not seriously consider discs. Although modern rim brakes are superb, they all give up a bit in the wet (and with Exaliths much less-so), and they don't accommodate larger tyres. This bike is for a different purpose.

Interesting the comments about disc brakes from Deb's and Winky.They sound like a good option if the terrain and weather the bike is being used in is demanding.I am quite old school and on my Focus Cyclo cross bike I use cantilevers which are effective and on my road bike a Klein -callipers.Happy with both.Although with a road bike I am a bit of a old school purist and think discs on wheels just don't look right to my eyes.

There are pics of my 2 bikes in my profile.

Colnago C59   Winky very nice.Always lusted after Colnago ever since the early 80' s when I saw a Master Pui in red with full art decor paint job.Stunning.

They asked Bradley Wiggins in an interview what is your favourite bike of all time  ? and he said a Colnago C40 for what it represented at the time when Carbon was new on the market and it's handling and race heritage during the EPO fueled 90' s when Mapei where getting 1-2 -3 at Paris Roubaix on C40 's.

As Deb's says great thread on the forum lots to share with like minded cyclists

Tabby cat posted:

winkyincanada posted

I agree. While I'm not in the market for a new road bike to replace my Colnago C59; If I was, I would likely not seriously consider discs. Although modern rim brakes are superb, they all give up a bit in the wet (and with Exaliths much less-so), and they don't accommodate larger tyres. This bike is for a different purpose.

Interesting the comments about disc brakes from Deb's and Winky.They sound like a good option if the terrain and weather the bike is being used in is demanding.I am quite old school and on my Focus Cyclo cross bike I use cantilevers which are effective and on my road bike a Klein -callipers.Happy with both.Although with a road bike I am a bit of a old school purist and think discs on wheels just don't look right to my eyes.

There are pics of my 2 bikes in my profile.

Colnago C59   Winky very nice.Always lusted after Colnago ever since the early 80' s when I saw a Master Pui in red with full art decor paint job.Stunning.

They asked Bradley Wiggins in an interview what is your favourite bike of all time  ? and he said a Colnago C40 for what it represented at the time when Carbon was new on the market and it's handling and race heritage during the EPO fueled 90' s when Mapei where getting 1-2 -3 at Paris Roubaix on C40 's.

As Deb's says great thread on the forum lots to share with like minded cyclists

 

This is the C59. It's been flawless. If I was shopping for a replacement, a C60 would definitely be on the list.

I know what you mean about the the aesthetics of discs on road bikes, but I'm getting used to them.

And this is my previous bike (which I still have).

Thanks for posting Winki your C59 looks understatedly  stylish.

What does it check out weight wise ?

You probably do but a great cycling channel on Youtube is Global Cycling Network

Well worth checking out there always testing new kit and giving advice on all things cycling a great resource.

Tabby cat posted:

Thanks for posting Winki your C59 looks understatedly  stylish.

What does it check out weight wise ?

You probably do but a great cycling channel on Youtube is Global Cycling Network

Well worth checking out there always testing new kit and giving advice on all things cycling a great resource.

I'm not sure of the weight but it is pretty light. The frame isn't the lightest out there, but the rest of the kit is very light. The BMC is a hair lighter (by feel) due to the frame weight, I think. The C59 is a more solid, but slightly buzzier ride. The BMC has more BB flex, is comfier (for a race bike) and is slightly less confident in fast corners, perhaps, but overall there's not much in it.

Great looking bikes Winky!  I too have a colnago c59 which I've had for quite a while and see no reason to change as it just feels right for me.  Also think the c59 looks better than the (presumably technically better) c60.  I run with manual campy record and mavic c40 wheels which have a carbon braking surface.  I much prefer the logic and feel of campy gearshifts to shimano.  I have dura ace on my now commuter which I have owned for 10 years and it continues to work flawlessly (the frame on the spesh Roubaix pro has not disintegrated yet either!).  The campy and fulcrum (same company) black coated braking surfaces caused a bit of a stir over here in UK with many dissatisfied customers complaining about the coating wearing through in a very short space of time.  These were mostly rejected as warranty claims due to them being used in wet weather - the very reason for buying them!!  It seems that mavic worked out the formula for surface coating more thoroughly than campy.

I suspect that disc brakes are still a bit in the vhs vs beta max stages of development and I look forward to them becoming a bit better integrated in the design for road bikes.  I can't really see the downside to them once the aesthetics are improved - better performing and I hate the waste of chucking out factory made wheelsets with perfectly functional hubs just because the braking surface wears out.  Only downside to this is that I now have several sets of wheels which will offer many years to come before they fail - indeed I suspect I will fail before they do!!

Important thing about all these wonderful bikes is to get out and ride them!  I have a trek madone 6 series set up on a tacx neo turbo trainer in anticipation of the not too distant cold wet winter weather which I so often dodge.  I've even bought a dyson fan but still wonder if that will be sufficient to drag me to the monotony of a turbo trainer!!

Peter

northpole posted:

Great looking bikes Winky!  I too have a colnago c59 which I've had for quite a while and see no reason to change as it just feels right for me.  Also think the c59 looks better than the (presumably technically better) c60.  I run with manual campy record and mavic c40 wheels which have a carbon braking surface.  I much prefer the logic and feel of campy gearshifts to shimano.  I have dura ace on my now commuter which I have owned for 10 years and it continues to work flawlessly (the frame on the spesh Roubaix pro has not disintegrated yet either!).  The campy and fulcrum (same company) black coated braking surfaces caused a bit of a stir over here in UK with many dissatisfied customers complaining about the coating wearing through in a very short space of time.  These were mostly rejected as warranty claims due to them being used in wet weather - the very reason for buying them!!  It seems that mavic worked out the formula for surface coating more thoroughly than campy.

I suspect that disc brakes are still a bit in the vhs vs beta max stages of development and I look forward to them becoming a bit better integrated in the design for road bikes.  I can't really see the downside to them once the aesthetics are improved - better performing and I hate the waste of chucking out factory made wheelsets with perfectly functional hubs just because the braking surface wears out.  Only downside to this is that I now have several sets of wheels which will offer many years to come before they fail - indeed I suspect I will fail before they do!!

Important thing about all these wonderful bikes is to get out and ride them!  I have a trek madone 6 series set up on a tacx neo turbo trainer in anticipation of the not too distant cold wet winter weather which I so often dodge.  I've even bought a dyson fan but still wonder if that will be sufficient to drag me to the monotony of a turbo trainer!!

Peter

One of the differences between the Mavic and Campag/Fulcrum braking surfaces is the direction of the surface grooves. Mavic's run across the brake track, and I think are thus more likely to knock out pieces of grit from in the brake pads (or at least file them down). However, in contrast, the circumferential grooves in the Campag/Fulcrum wheels seem to allow a pieces of grit to stay there, scribing scratches around the rim. It was pretty early on the that the first shiny circular  scratch appeared on my Shamals, followed by, eventually, a general wearing out of the black surface treatment. The instruction say to check regularly for pieces of embedded grit, but the sense I get is that with the right (wrong?) piece of grit, the scratches can happen pretty much straight away. The Mavics have definitely been more durable, although both wheelsets have been great, and all my rim-brake wheels will have this sort of surface treatment from now on. Probably go back to Mavic, although I just love the Shamals in every other way. They just look a bit naff now, with "discoloured" brake tracks.

Based on the experience of my new bike, I think discs have arrived. They work great, although the wet-weather squealing is annoying. The front pads initially seemed to rub a little (sometimes) so I aligned the caliper (30 second job with an allen key) and it is perfect now. There is more clearance to the pads than I thought there would be, although leaves and bits of detritus did seem to lodge in the caliper on my very wet ride home last week, causing noise, but no issues. Bear in mind the roads were half-flooded and absolutely covered in fallen leaves so it was a "worst case" test.

What is it with HiFi and bikes so many are enthusiasts of both!

northpole posted:

Important thing about all these wonderful bikes is to get out and ride them!  I have a trek madone 6 series set up on a tacx neo turbo trainer in anticipation of the not too distant cold wet winter weather which I so often dodge.  I've even bought a dyson fan but still wonder if that will be sufficient to drag me to the monotony of a turbo trainer!!

My BMC teammachine has been hooked onto my Wahoo turbo trainer for 6 weeks. I can thoroughly recommend Zwift as a motivation to get on the bike indoors. Completely addictive and really does make the time in the pain cave less painful.  I have done a few ‘group’ rides and am nearly at the point of giving a race a go!

Just make sure you do an FTP test early on (even if your turbo trainer doesn’t have a power meter - Zwift will estimate power based on the trainer itself and your weight); as this will allow you to ride with similar ability riders (from all over the world!).

give it a go

From the ride yesterday. Some stunning fall days at the moment. A chilly -2C this morning for the commute.