Unamusing moral dilemma-y thing

That sounds as though it's a problem with a protein (possibly the storage protein) in of many of the Fabaceae.

Adam Meredith posted:

“As a parent of a child ...” you are likely to see a world bent on denying a loved one a right - or privilege. To the extent that you happily deny it to everyone else. 

 

I would say that no one is completely happy. The guy who sat next to Rod is possibly on a tourettes forum right this minute discussing how someone ruined his night by asking him to be quiet and telling him he's ruining someone's evening, in the opening sentence. I can think of more diplomatic opening lines which would make us both feel better.

count.d posted:

Adam Meredith posted:

“As a parent of a child ...” you are likely to see a world bent on denying a loved one a right - or privilege. To the extent that you happily deny it to everyone else. 

 

I would say that no one is completely happy. The guy who sat next to Rod is possibly on a tourettes forum right this minute discussing how someone ruined his night by asking him to be quiet and telling him he's ruining someone's evening, in the opening sentence. I can think of more diplomatic opening lines which would make us both feel better.

 

Might be useful to share some of them for future reference.

You're photographing a client. He keeps sniffing uncontrollably, which stops you taking the pics. You say "could you maybe just blow your nose? Your sniffing is spoiling my photography"

Don, if you can't think of anything else to say to someone that makes both of you comfortable, I hope you're retired.

So the logical conclusion is to say nothing and just tolerate it? If I had said 'perhaps you have Tourettes , in which case it is in voluntary I know, and I apologise, but if not, could you perhaps blow your nose' he would have looked at me funnily if he had simply had a cold (which is what I had assumed - there is nothing about someone with Tourettes which advertises itself visually - he certainly wasn't wearing a badge or anything).

I think after half an hour of someone sniffing, I was perfectly polite. It genuinely never occurred to me that it might be the result of any medical condition other than a cold. I have never heard of Tourettes, or any other condition, manifesting itself in this way.

I had flown from France, and was paying for a hotel, on top of the cost of the ticket, for this concert. So 'just leaving' wasn't really a viable option for me either.

Once again, Count D, you seem determined to state that I used the word 'ruin'. I did not. Not at the time, not since, and not here. 

To return to the op experience, i think personally that some diseases are just incompatible with some public activities.  A person with skin infection will not go to a public swimming pool.

Another, with Tourette’s syndrome, should not go at a classic concert or at theater play, where the silence of everyone is very important.  His self pleasure will spoil the pleasure of a lot of people who will have difficulties to follow the concert or the theater play.

I don’t think either that i am discriminating, just being pragmatic.

count.d posted:

You're photographing a client. He keeps sniffing uncontrollably, which stops you taking the pics. You say "could you maybe just blow your nose? Your sniffing is spoiling my photography"

Don, if you can't think of anything else to say to someone that makes both of you comfortable, I hope you're retired.

Oh, I can think of a few and I consider Rod's approach to dealing with the issue was perfectly acceptable.

I merely presumed you would like to share your wisdom. Obviously not.

this discussion seems very interesting to me but unfortunately my english is too poor to understand the different or opposite ideas in this topic.  I regret it .   

rodwsmith posted:

So the logical conclusion is to say nothing and just tolerate it? If I had said 'perhaps you have Tourettes , in which case it is in voluntary I know, and I apologise, but if not, could you perhaps blow your nose' he would have looked at me funnily if he had simply had a cold (which is what I had assumed - there is nothing about someone with Tourettes which advertises itself visually - he certainly wasn't wearing a badge or anything).

I think after half an hour of someone sniffing, I was perfectly polite. It genuinely never occurred to me that it might be the result of any medical condition other than a cold. I have never heard of Tourettes, or any other condition, manifesting itself in this way.

I had flown from France, and was paying for a hotel, on top of the cost of the ticket, for this concert. So 'just leaving' wasn't really a viable option for me either.

Once again, Count D, you seem determined to state that I used the word 'ruin'. I did not. Not at the time, not since, and not here. 

 

Honestly I've never in my 50+ years asked a complete stranger to blow their nose. I can't even imagine a scenario where I'd do such a thing. In American culture this would be considered quite rude. Perhaps European sensibilities allow for this type of interaction. So maybe cultural differences make this a difficult topic?

I'll just assume that in Europe asking a stranger to blow their nose isn't incredibly rude. After not rudely asking a stranger to blow their nose you then discover this person has Tourette and the sounds are involuntary tics. In polite American society, a person in your situation would have apologized and "suffered" through the concert understanding that both parties are having a "sub optimal experience." 

You may once or twice in your lifetime feel the inconvenience of sitting next to a person with Tourette. People with the condition live with  it 24x7x365.

Adam Meredith posted:

Kevin Richardson posted:

Well.... As a parent of a child with Tourettes,I have an opinion based on years of experience. This is not a question of morality or ethics. Tics are involuntary. Nobody is under any obligation to ensure you have a "perfectly enjoyable" concert experience. The answer is very easy: If you are not able to enjoy the concert then you can leave. 

It seems these days that debate and discussion in the grey areas of opinion and behaviour are completely out of favour - leading to ridiculous extreme statements, such as above. 

“As a parent of a child ...” you are likely to see a world bent on denying a loved one a right - or privilege. To the extent that you happily deny it to everyone else. 

Who was the winner during the 2011 Wimbledon Finals when crowd and, eventually, players dutifully filed out to leave Frank Lee (and his increasingly moist handkerchief) to snuffle and sneeze through 4 inconclusive hours of tennis inactivity?

On how many occasions has your enjoyment of a concert been decreased due to being placed in close proximity to a person with Tourette?

I don't see the world as "bent on denying a loved one a right." In fact most people I've met probably wouldn't be bitching about having a "less than enjoyable concert experience due to some inconsiderate a-hole with Tourette making noise next to me." I also know no one in real life that would argue that "people with Tourette should not attend concerts as it may slightly upset the person sitting next to them." 

I'm not proposing denying the rights of individuals. It is just nobody has an absolute right to 100% never be inconvenienced in a public setting. The typical person will only encounter an individual with Tourette a few times in their lifetime.