Active SL2s with 300DRs ??

Posted by: easy money ? on 03 December 2017

Are any members running this combination having previously used 135s ?   I'm quite tempted with the idea but can't find any threads comparing the 300drs to 135s. There has been plenty of discussion about 300s and 135s which generally suggests it would be a sideways step to move to the 300s. Home demo is not a possibility as I live quite remote and would probably buy ex-demo anyway.

Current system is LP12 ( Kandid, Ekos SE, Keel, Radikal / Urika, 552DR, S'capDR, 242 and 135s and Sl2s  I'm using standard Naim cables apart from Supra Sword ISLs Urika to 552.  All kit is well within service dates.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Posted on: 03 December 2017 by jon h

What is powering the snaxo? The ScapDR?

300DRs will be significantly better than 4x135. Without question.

However, the SL2 is an "old school" naim product, so might match the voicing of the 135s more than the 300DRs.

To be honest, I wouldnt bother. Change to 300DRs when you are ready to change speakers to something more modern and more balanced. Kudos etc, driven actively. 

Posted on: 03 December 2017 by easy money ?

Well the SL2s certainly won't be departing !  For me speakers are something that has to be visually pleasing as well as functional and " Modern " floorstanders like the Kudos wouldn't get through the front door!  It's just a case of each to his own I suppose.

Posted on: 03 December 2017 by hungryhalibut

If it helps, the 300DR works brilliantly with the manky old superseded old fashioned and unbalanced SL2. Who wants modern just because it’s modern? 

Posted on: 03 December 2017 by jon h
Hungryhalibut posted:

Who wants modern just because it’s modern? 

Because there have been huge advances in technology in speaker design -- MLSSA, laser analysis, cabinet modelling, materials tech, etc etc etc?

Posted on: 03 December 2017 by easy money ?

Thanks HH, I just wanted to hear from someone who had used 300DRs to drive SL2s.  It's strange that these outmoded old speakers very rarely appear on the second hand market

Posted on: 03 December 2017 by hungryhalibut

Mine are only passive mind, but they work beautifully together, old or not. 

Posted on: 03 December 2017 by wenger2015
easy money ? posted:
  It's strange that these outmoded old speakers very rarely appear on the second hand market

They have little monetary value, as Jon Honeyball says, technology has moved on...... but as they say ‘love is in the eye of the beholder ‘ ..

Posted on: 03 December 2017 by jfritzen

The SL2s have some features that even "modern" speakers don't have. I.e., as I understand it, the almost sealed design, which gives a tight and well defined bass, and the elaborate mechanical isolation of the tweeter from the rest of the speaker, which IMO makes the speakers sound so delightfully open. And they look good, can easily be activated and placed near the wall. 

Posted on: 03 December 2017 by Montone

And to carry on from the above post......And in the ears of the beholder. I just love my  active SL2,s. They sound great in my system and look good in my listening room.

I reckon the reason very few SL2,s come up for sale is not because they have little monetary value but because the people who were lucky enough to buy them love them so much and don’t want to sell them.

Rocking horse s.....t and hen,s teeth come to mind.

Posted on: 03 December 2017 by easy money ?

Yes Montone, that's exactly the point I was making but perhaps I was being too subtle !!

I love all aspects of these speakers and when you look at the design it's hard to believe they were ever ok'd to go into production.  If you can find a pair for sale they'll cost you £2 - £2.5K  which  I think is still considerable monetary value.

I'm still undecided about the 300DRs but I'm suffering with the old upgrade bug at the moment so it may well happen.

Posted on: 04 December 2017 by tonym

SL2s, particularly actively driven, are very fine loudspeakers. They're a more modern design than my ancient old pair of DBLs... Go for a pair of 300DRs, then if, further down the line, you fancy a pair of Kudos 707s to go with them (and the Kudos are really excellent driven by 300DRs) you'll be well set.

Posted on: 04 December 2017 by yeti42
jon honeyball posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

Who wants modern just because it’s modern? 

Because there have been huge advances in technology in speaker design -- MLSSA, laser analysis, cabinet modelling, materials tech, etc etc etc?

Says the DBL diehard.

 I heard the 707s recently, and I heard their port.

 

Posted on: 04 December 2017 by Ardbeg10y

Regarding 'old' loudspeaker design ...

I have BW CM1's, BW CM5's and Ovator 600s (active).

I found a good spot in my home office for the Ovators, because I could position them well - but not too far - out of the walls - 30 cm to the rear wall or so.

Regarding the BW's, these are rear ported. They sound only optimal when I drag them 1 meter into my room and on that position they are precisely blocking my kitchen to livingroom corridor.

The 'old' designs like the SBL's, DBLs etc go decently close to the rear wall and therefore I start to like them. Again - not for purely intrinsic sonic qualities - but for the way how I could integrate them in my living room.

The money I get for selling my CM5's would cover the cost for a good pair of SBLs or Allaes.

Love these designs.

The point I'm trying to make is that loudspeakers can be very modern but many designs miss the point that they need to perform well in a room on certain positions.

Posted on: 04 December 2017 by Allante93
yeti42 posted:
jon honeyball posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

Who wants modern just because it’s modern? 

Because there have been huge advances in technology in speaker design -- MLSSA, laser analysis, cabinet modelling, materials tech, etc etc etc?

Says the DBL diehard.

 I heard the 707s recently, and I heard their port.

 

Maybe I'm missing something, if you like the character of the Speakers, tweeters, mids, etc..

Albeit, DBLs, NBLs, SL2s, SBLs, or the modern Ovators, Kudos, etc...then that's your rear end!

With that being said, that's a lot of $$$ on the latter, when all that modern technology that went into the crossover, is being disregarded.

The only problem is finding a pair of Old School Speakers, in decent shape!

Briks> DBLs 3-way design

SL2s > SBLs 

Are the NBLs a 3-way design?

A recent thread, a gentleman got lucky, and scored a brand new sealed pair of SBLs!

Wow!

Allante93!

Posted on: 04 December 2017 by stuart.ashen

SBLs are the easiest to get hold of, I believe they were Naim’s best selling loudspeaker. There also seem to be a number of sources for spare parts should you need them because there is a bit of a market for them. A true design and engineering classic IMHO.

Stu

Posted on: 04 December 2017 by u77033103172058601

In my system a 300 non-DR (as it then was) was more than a match for a pair of 135s. But I do have two manky front ends and even more manky speakers as well as an appalling taste in music.