:crazy: Help

Hi Steve 

do you have a 5pin din to din to connect the hdx to the Supernait? 

Can you get it to work without the SC?

Supernait works well by itself when connected to my Squeezebox, just got the HDX back from Naim after update and service so I assume that's working OK, Supercap I have only just acquired. All units are illuminated but I have no sound output, the connections I have made are/must be wrong. Finkfan: I have the HDX connected by 5-5pin from the din analogue socket  on the HDX to tape in/out on the Supernait. Winkyincanada: No.

Is the output switch on the back of the hdx on 1 for din output? Try all these other din inputs on the Supernait 

Tried all output settings still no sound, I have a 5-5pin cable from socket 1 on the Supercap to the socket on the right (facing the back) after removing the link pin on the Supernait. Is that right and/or should I have 2 connections to the Supercap?

You need two connections from SN to SC. Preamp out on SN to SC socket 1 (SNAIC5) . SC socket 3 back to Power amp in on the SN (SNAIC4)

SteveW posted:

Tried all output settings still no sound, I have a 5-5pin cable from socket 1 on the Supercap to the socket on the right (facing the back) after removing the link pin on the Supernait. Is that right and/or should I have 2 connections to the Supercap?

You need two SNAIC cables from the SC to Supernait.     A 5-pin (which you have) PLUS a 4-pin.   

The 5-pin SCAIC carries power from the SC to the Supernait pre-amp.  The signal from the Supernait pre-amp also goes via the 5-pin, through the internal links in the SC & then on to the Supernait power-amp.    

This is the schematic for the SN-HC,  its the same

SteveW posted:

Tried all output settings still no sound, I have a 5-5pin cable from socket 1 on the Supercap to the socket on the right (facing the back) after removing the link pin on the Supernait. Is that right and/or should I have 2 connections to the Supercap?

If you have the link removed, I'm pretty sure you need 2 connections, as your pre-amp and power-amp sections of the SN are no-longer connected.

Thanks all still no go, I am going to change to change cables one at a time in case there is a faulty one, let you know result in about an hour as I have to collect the wife first :-(

Take the SC out of the equation and just set the whole thing up with the link plug in on the SN and then add the SC back in later on.

Work in a logical sequence.

Start with your Squeezebox and check you get sound.

Then add the HDX and check again and then if those two steps are ok then add the SC.

Out of interest why are you using the Tape input for the HDX. Try using the same input you had the Squeezebox connected to. 

Thank you all guys, I hear music :-) James your out of interest question led to the answer, changed the HDX from tape input to CD input and it came alive, one again thanks everybody.

Now the remaining question, will the system benefit from adding in the DAC? can you have to many DAC's in a system?

Well done Steve, you're not the first and certainly won't be the last to fall foul of the input assignments on the Supernait (which you can, of course, change).  But once learned, not forgotten..

Good news Steve 

As to your second question. You have 3 to choose from (HDX, SN and Naim DAC). The Naim DAC should have superior performance to the other two so it would be well worth trying. Use the digital output of the HDX into input 1 or 2 of the Naim DAC using a decent BNC to BNC lead (Naim DC-1 for example).  Move the Din cable from the HDX output socket to the Naim DAC output socket and set the ground switch on the Naim DAC to Chassis and you should be sorted. 

James

PS - Make sure the Burndy link plug is in place on the Naim DAC. 

As i read you have the Squeezebox, i had a similar konfiguration as you.

SB, NDac, SN and SC.

Go from SB to NDac to SN .

Hi, Steve.

Unless defaults have been overridden, the SN and nDAC expect the nDAC to be connected to Aux1 on the SN, for the remote control to set them harmoniously — 7, 8, 9, and 0 should select the correct input on the SN.  Of course, if you prefer to use the CD input, the two can be programned that way.  I prefer the default setup so I do not have to worry about reconfiguring after a reversion to factory settings.

Nick

Some really good advice everybody and another one has been acted on. I am awaiting delivery of a DC1 and going to give it a go, just to hear what happens. I will let you know what the change is, if any as I doubt it could improve on the superb overall presentation I have now.

Steve

NickSeattle posted:

Hi, Steve.

Unless defaults have been overridden, the SN and nDAC expect the nDAC to be connected to Aux1 on the SN, for the remote control to set them harmoniously — 7, 8, 9, and 0 should select the correct input on the SN.  Of course, if you prefer to use the CD input, the two can be programned that way.  I prefer the default setup so I do not have to worry about reconfiguring after a reversion to factory settings.

Nick

Cable has arrived but before I fit it one other question, am I correct in thinking as far as the above is concerned Aux1 (phono) and Aux2 (din) share the same internal connections, so either will achieve harmony with the remote??

AUX1 RCA vs AUX1 DIN, maybe.  AUX2 is unrelated to AUX1.

Naim DAC wants to be into AUX1, unless you prefer something different.  And DIN sounds better than RCA, if you have the choice.

Nick

Wait.  I see the SN1 does not have a DIN for AUX1.  I think I would choose CD or Tuner DIN after all, and program the DAC accordingly.

I had a 112 before my 552 — both had DIN options for all six, as I recall.

Nick

NickSeattle posted:

Wait.  I see the SN1 does not have a DIN for AUX1.  I think I would choose CD or Tuner DIN after all, and program the DAC accordingly.

I had a 112 before my 552 — both had DIN options for all six, as I recall.

Nick

I see you quickly sussed I had the SN1, sorry should have made that clear earlier. As for programming the DAC, yikes I didn't even know I had to or how, what ever happened to plug and play. 

Your SN1 WAS plug-and-play, before you added the Naim DAC.  Configuration options, and a better DAC, are the benefits you bought with the sacrifice of simplicity.

You will need to follow the clear instructions on how to program the DAC.  I need the directions every time, which was once, IIRC.

I’ll bet you find it was worth the trouble.

Nick

O my o my o my the S400 are singing like I have never heard them before. Deeper base but also clearer with better overall integration, mid range now balanced and no longer set back and the sound stage has widened.  Treble also sounds better but I cant for the life of me pinpoint why, however I still have the issue that I dislike about these speakers, female vocals are raspy/scratchy on high notes and spoil my listening pleasure of artist such as Celine Dion etc.  So overall the DAC has made a fantastic improvement, but I am still contemplating changing the S400's just because of the weird treble voicing, yet that apart their performance is superb and they also look nice. really torn because with orchestral music piccolo's, triangles, bells etc. all sound perfect and clear.

SteveW posted:

O my o my o my the S400 are singing like I have never heard them before. Deeper base but also clearer with better overall integration, mid range now balanced and no longer set back and the sound stage has widened.  Treble also sounds better but I cant for the life of me pinpoint why, however I still have the issue that I dislike about these speakers, female vocals are raspy/scratchy on high notes and spoil my listening pleasure of artist such as Celine Dion etc.  So overall the DAC has made a fantastic improvement, but I am still contemplating changing the S400's just because of the weird treble voicing, yet that apart their performance is superb and they also look nice. really torn because with orchestral music piccolo's, triangles, bells etc. all sound perfect and clear.

Steve,

Regarding that treble voicing, I had the same. I have active Ovators which is a bit more complicated, but when I organized my mains connections (was running in parallel with a signal cable), replaced the snaxo to poweramp leads by Naim active leads, put my Ovators on solid Naim floor chips, this problem was gone.

In your case, I would check the mains connection and ensure they are on solid floor protectors - preferably naims chips which are the best I could find.

One more thing, they prefer to be a bit from the side walls. At least 50 cm.

Ardbeg10y posted:

SteveW posted:

O my o my o my the S400 are singing like I have never heard them before. Deeper base but also clearer with better overall integration, mid range now balanced and no longer set back and the sound stage has widened.  Treble also sounds better but I cant for the life of me pinpoint why, however I still have the issue that I dislike about these speakers, female vocals are raspy/scratchy on high notes and spoil my listening pleasure of artist such as Celine Dion etc.  So overall the DAC has made a fantastic improvement, but I am still contemplating changing the S400's just because of the weird treble voicing, yet that apart their performance is superb and they also look nice. really torn because with orchestral music piccolo's, triangles, bells etc. all sound perfect and clear.

Steve,

Regarding that treble voicing, I had the same. I have active Ovators which is a bit more complicated, but when I organized my mains connections (was running in parallel with a signal cable), replaced the snaxo to poweramp leads by Naim active leads, put my Ovators on solid Naim floor chips, this problem was gone.

In your case, I would check the mains connection and ensure they are on solid floor protectors - preferably naims chips which are the best I could find.

One more thing, they prefer to be a bit from the side walls. At least 50 cm.

Ok I have double checked the cable dressing, I have at least 5cm separation between signal and power cables, As for the S400 they are spiked through carpet onto a concrete floor, I have made certain there is a gap between the speaker plinth and the carpet, the smallest possible without touching. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't solid floor protectors only effective on non-carpeted floors?  

My room is oblong with the speaker on the long wall firing  across, spaced approximately 1/3 of the wall length in from each end. I say approximately because exact spacing was adjusted using the Iso TecK  360 degree setup CD track, so as to achieve complete circulation of sound behind the head (almost fully achieved with a tiny amount of imagination). I do have a bay window at one end, and I am wondering if the glazing is having an effect, if so I have no idea how to cure it, but as always I welcome all suggestions.

I have no carpet in my house, the Ovators are on wooden - oak - suspended floors. The most important thing is that they must stand rock stable.

Regarding my powercables: I've turned my snaxo around to ensure that signal cables are way out of the power cables.