Atom, core and usb

Posted by: Cbr600 on 11 December 2017

I have just fitted a couple of 4gb usb sticks into the front USB port of the core. I configured them as music stores to be able to rip cd's to them. All good.

used the core to rip the cd's to the USB sticks in Wav format. No problem.

if I leave the USB stick in the core, and use the atom to play music held on the stick inserted in the core, no problems.

now.

i remove the usb stick and inset it into the atom and try playing music from the USB port on the atom and the system says there is no results ( when searching USB ports).

does this mean the atom cannot read and directly play music ripped to it by the core when same stick inserted in the atom? If so, why?

Posted on: 11 December 2017 by Erich

I have no experience with the kits you are talking about but usually USB ports  (I have V1, Q2, nDac and Qb) support USB sticks formatted FAT32. May be when you configured them as "music stores" is not the same as FAT32 and that's why they do not work in the Atom and work in the Core because it recognizes the music store format.

Posted on: 11 December 2017 by Huge

Try looking at the memory sticks using a PC.

Posted on: 11 December 2017 by French Rooster
Cbr600 posted:

I have just fitted a couple of 4gb usb sticks into the front USB port of the core. I configured them as music stores to be able to rip cd's to them. All good.

used the core to rip the cd's to the USB sticks in Wav format. No problem.

if I leave the USB stick in the core, and use the atom to play music held on the stick inserted in the core, no problems.

now.

i remove the usb stick and inset it into the atom and try playing music from the USB port on the atom and the system says there is no results ( when searching USB ports).

does this mean the atom cannot read and directly play music ripped to it by the core when same stick inserted in the atom? If so, why?

i had the same problem as you: i configured a usb stick on the core i had borrowed. I could rip on it some cds and play them with core/ nds in ethernet mode. But after, when i put the same usb stick on the front of my nds, it was not recognized.  I think the core has changed the format of the usb stick, format which is not compatible with the usb of the nds and probably with the usb of the atom.   Why all this metadata world is so complicated and strange ?   just plug and play naim said.....

Posted on: 11 December 2017 by nbpf
Cbr600 posted:

I have just fitted a couple of 4gb usb sticks into the front USB port of the core. I configured them as music stores to be able to rip cd's to them. All good.

used the core to rip the cd's to the USB sticks in Wav format. No problem.

if I leave the USB stick in the core, and use the atom to play music held on the stick inserted in the core, no problems.

now.

i remove the usb stick and inset it into the atom and try playing music from the USB port on the atom and the system says there is no results ( when searching USB ports).

does this mean the atom cannot read and directly play music ripped to it by the core when same stick inserted in the atom? If so, why?

I seem to remember that the Core formats media that store music folders in ntfs while the atom likely expects fat32 formatted media. But I have neither device nor access to Core/Atom documentation. Since both platform rely on Linux and Linux offers very good support for most popular file systems, Naim can easily fix the problem if they want to do so.

Posted on: 12 December 2017 by Huge

The Core is Linux based, and hence probably formats external drives as 'Ext4' (which the Atom won't be able to read).

Posted on: 12 December 2017 by jon h

I doubt that what you are trying to do is an intended use case by Naim

Posted on: 12 December 2017 by Cbr600

It seems a poor devlopment of new products that do not work seamlessly.

naim need to take a serious look at how their products work together 

Posted on: 12 December 2017 by Huge

The Core and Atom do work together seamlessly - You connect them through Ethernet or via S/PDif.

Posted on: 12 December 2017 by Huge
nbpf posted:
Cbr600 posted:

I have just fitted a couple of 4gb usb sticks into the front USB port of the core. I configured them as music stores to be able to rip cd's to them. All good.

used the core to rip the cd's to the USB sticks in Wav format. No problem.

if I leave the USB stick in the core, and use the atom to play music held on the stick inserted in the core, no problems.

now.

i remove the usb stick and inset it into the atom and try playing music from the USB port on the atom and the system says there is no results ( when searching USB ports).

does this mean the atom cannot read and directly play music ripped to it by the core when same stick inserted in the atom? If so, why?

I seem to remember that the Core formats media that store music folders in ntfs while the atom likely expects fat32 formatted media. But I have neither device nor access to Core/Atom documentation. Since both platform rely on Linux and Linux offers very good support for most popular file systems, Naim can easily fix the problem if they want to do so.

Making the Atom support other file systems will require greater processing to extract the audio stream from the file, and therefore runs the risk of compromising sound quality.

Supporting other (more complex and non-native) file systems for external disks on the Core runs a small risk of reduced performance and possibly a (very) small risk of reduced compatibility or reduced reliability.  It certainly increases the testing requirement.

Posted on: 12 December 2017 by DomTomLondon

For such a state-of-the-art piece of technology, there is very little it can "actually" do...  

Posted on: 12 December 2017 by Huge
DomTomLondon posted:

For such a state-of-the-art piece of technology, there is very little it can "actually" do...  

What, you mean other than play music very well? 

Posted on: 13 December 2017 by DomTomLondon
Huge posted:
DomTomLondon posted:

For such a state-of-the-art piece of technology, there is very little it can "actually" do...  

What, you mean other than play music very well? 

Haha.. yeah besides that.

It can play music very well..., if you can get it to play in the first place. But that's just my experience.