Is Tidal on it's way out?

I don’t understand your comment about Tidal not being integrated into the Naim app. Using the Tidal input on the app, you don’t have to leave it and go to the Tidal app if you don’t want to. I’m not Tidal’s biggest fan, but in this respect, it seems to work. 

Maybe it's been updated since I used it a few moths ago.  I found the Tidal interface in the Naim app quite limiting, and I had to switch back to the Tidal app to search for new albums. Then I tried to play the albums within the Tidal app, but could not figure out a way to control the SU with the Tidal app.

I will be disappointed if TIDAL goes under, I am a HI-Fi subscriber and find the monthly fee reasonable for the number of albums I have access to play and it sounds mighty fine.

JMHO - YMMV

I’d be surprised if many or any of the streaming services made money. Qobuz’s outreach is tiny compared to the big boys, but at least they can supplement their streaming subscriptions with download sales.

I don’t know what the solution is, but one place costs can’t be cut is the artist royalties from streaming, which are pitiful unless you get hits in the millions.

Sounds like you were doing something wrong somewhere??

And sound quality should have been much better than spotify also ...it is for me ...

I do Like Tidal purely for streaming to me it is the best quality and my source for my Nova. I thought Apple where poised to buy it last year but it never happened.

Question is who would buy Tidal for the money Jaz Z and Co want.

A major issue with Tidal until recent app improvements was the lack of any investment or development, rumour always being they were broke.

Qobuz again sounds flaky, all these folk signed up to 1 year deals.

I really don't want to the rip or NAS setup, i love the ease and laziness of streaming but accept it's always going to be behind NAS type methods sound quality wise.

https://www.google.es/amp/s/ww...-doomed-to-fail/amp/

Oh dear. Looks like it's almost time to revert to Spotify on my ND5XS and wait for their lossless to begin.  And just as the firmware update seems to have solved the dropout problem! Harrumph. 

I use these and have paid subscriptions for the following (note Tidal is on the Naim Nova offer and Deezer 99p a month for 3 mths).

1st - Tidal is clearly the best (compromise vs NAS) in terms of sound quality, native Naim support, but very Yank focused and no Android Auto integration - £20 a month (single HIFI account);

2nd - Deezer i use in the car and on my phone, i don't like the sound on my Nova vs Tidal - has Android Auto integration (sounds awesome) - £15 a month (family lossless MQA)

3rd - Spotify, i rarely use it now (but the best UI and playlists)and only maintained it for family, sounds dreadful on the Atom and now Nova - £15 a month (family 320k)

My perfect solution would be Spotify HiFi, they have talked and run beta, signed up all the major music labels this year, yet still no Hifi.

I am also waiting for Spotify to come out with a Hi-Fi option. However I couldn't hear a huge difference between its 320 stream and Tidal's Hi-Fi stream. I tried listening to the same track side by side through a headphone DAC, Yes there was a difference, but it wasn't huge. Still, for more serious listening, it would be nice to have a Hi-Fi streaming option.

I did read (Spotify Forum) it was possible to use Spotify HIFI through the web app or google chrome, whether it is a red herring is another matter.

I suspect Spotify will go the Deezer route and adopt MQA, or better still buy out Tidal and integrate it.

Obsydian posted:

.I really don't want to the rip or NAS setup, i love the ease and laziness of streaming but accept it's always going to be behind NAS type methods sound quality wise.

And it’s always going to have uncertainty over supply - for some people short term with internet issues, but for everyone long term as businesses like these can and do fold, sometimes with little or no warning. A worry, I would have thought, for anyone   relying on them as their primary music source.

Mike1951 posted:

https://www.google.es/amp/s/ww...-doomed-to-fail/amp/

Oh dear. Looks like it's almost time to revert to Spotify on my ND5XS and wait for their lossless to begin.  And just as the firmware update seems to have solved the dropout problem! Harrumph. 

I have no idea as to its current validity, but that article is from May 2016. Tidal hasn’t gone Kanye yet, though as I said I’m not sure any of them make money. 

It would be typical if it does fold

If just spent £100 on 7 months subscription...

Japtimscarlet posted:

It would be typical if it does fold

If just spent £100 on 7 months subscription...

Tim - is that an introductory offer? I emailed them ages ago to ask whether there's a way of paying for more months to get a better monthly price, but they said not.

No ...it's the standard 6 month pay up front subscription...about £16:66 pm ...and one free month they give you 

I certainly hope Tidal doesn’t fold. I find it a dream come true. To be able to pick practically any song you can think of, and be able to play it in hi resolution is fantastic. I have over 700 ripped cds , and it helps me sample possible new purchases. I love the way it integrates into the Naim app. Spotify just does not cut it for me, clumsy to operate and low resolution. So Kanye if it losing money, get Kim to help you prop it up by marketing some new mascara or handbags. I would appreciate that!

Agree with that kiwi cat 

Japtimscarlet posted:

No ...it's the standard 6 month pay up front subscription...about £16:66 pm ...and one free month they give you 

Thanks! Must have another look to see if I can swap over.

Gavin B posted:

Japtimscarlet posted:

No ...it's the standard 6 month pay up front subscription...about £16:66 pm ...and one free month they give you 

Thanks! Must have another look to see if I can swap over.

Nope, can't see that sort of option open to me. Can anyone point me to these details?

"Rumours" is a might fine album from Fleetwood Mac that you can listen on Tidal

But until proven otherwise, every streaming service has been announced to die soon, but most of them are hanging in there. I like Tidal. Their focus in curation is not my taste, but their back catalogue is huge. Also for classical music (but you need to dig around). Now ECM is on Tidal too, the option of not owning music but being able to stream HiFi for 20 Euro's a month is nice. Not much to wish for but the addition of other curators than R&B and pop.

I have always been a bit skeptical about here streaming services. But meanwhile I have started loving Tidal as an option to pre-listen material I intend to buy or to listen every now and then to something I wouldn’t consider owning. 

I am at least happy that I own my core collection. But still hope Tidal hangs in there, as they are great in the Naim context.

Streaming won't go away it will if anything evolve and grow, problem for us is will the lossless types last as the masses either data allowance or phone memory or just plain tone dead prefer 192 or 320k.

Tidal will continue to collect my $19.99 a month for the Hi-Fi subscription until they fold, I enjoy the availability & quality of the music.  Listening to some albums kept me from making a purchase. Then again having the opportunity to listen to a number of musicians has gotten me to purchase a lot of CD's over the past 5+ months.

I might need to give Tidal another chance, especially now that they have a free 10 Day (no credit card needed) Christmas trial. And the app is also available now on smart TV devices, like AppleTV.

Will have some time over Christmas to do another sound comparison between it and Spotify. Should be fun.

I have Tidal FLAC subscription. It is great, especially classical. I don’t understand how listening in FLAC streamed can suggest buying a CD at 320. Can someone explain?