Another 552 owner

Posted by: Simon-in-Suffolk on 13 December 2017

Well it finally happened, and I am letting my new 552 settle down and enjoying its mood swings... certainly sounds rather impressive as you woul expect in my system... it’s interesting how certain very familiar tracks do sound different from my 252DR, almost as if the mixer levels for the instruments are  different.... and yes on my 252 you could follow the instruments, but with the 552 you can follow but also get more of the subtle inflexions and timing in those embedded instruments... also fair to say the imaging is quite noticeably enhanced on the 552 over the 252... happy chappy.

Posted on: 15 December 2017 by lyndon

HAIM RONEN

so my point still stands, I doubt your 2 friends regret buying the 552

of the 3 people I had dealings with this year that were selling a 552 - 2 went to Vitus and the chap I bought the 552 from bought the Statement 

of the 3 I got the impression that the 2 that went in the Vitus direction had entered the Naim world at the 500 series level. The chap that bought the Statement had like me climbed the Naim ladder both of us starting with a 32.5, he did try the top of the range Vitus preamp and although it sounded different it was very clear the Statement was the way to go 

lyndon

 

Posted on: 15 December 2017 by Erich

Congratulations!!!!     Enjoy.

Posted on: 16 December 2017 by MDS

I can understand some people deciding to go to a smaller, simpler system, rather like some people down-size their house once the kids have left home. That might involve moving on a 552. But moving one on for performance reasons? I can think of only one.................for an S1   

Posted on: 16 December 2017 by Massimo Bertola
Hungryhalibut posted:
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Thanks guys, the NDS was not the best for me... but you never know, there might be a newer version at some point in the future that tempts me.... for me the Hugo is still the one to beat.... audio just simply sounds so enjoyable from the Hugo through the 552. I was listening to one of my recordings last night of Aida and The March of the Hebrew Slaves... and the musical resolution was delightful. The 300DR might be more likely... let’s see how my remaining speculative investments go... it will take a bit of time...

Dave, you are right, that is one of the  enjoyable consequences of a major system change, rediscovering your recordings...

Aren’t the Hebrew Slaves in Nabucco? Maybe they are moonlighting in Aida?

I wish I could have put at least 3 likes on this, instead of just one. Anyway: Aida has a March (we all also have one, after February and before April), but Hebrew Slaves are in Nabucco. We call the Aida March Triumphal, which is probably not the feeling of the Hebrew Slaves even – or actually because – they moonlight (LOL!) in Aida, which is set in Egypt while poor Aida is an Ethiopian, in which case Bob Marley would be even more apt than the Nabucco's Va' pensiero.

Posted on: 16 December 2017 by Massimo Bertola

P.S. Will some kind soul alert me when 552s begun to be given for free upon showing a coupon?

Thanks

M.

Posted on: 16 December 2017 by analogmusic

not trying to spoil Simon's fun, but I've heard 552 many times, and very good it is, in S-i-S still you are listening to a Hugo 1.

Hugo 1 is indeed a very good source, but a quick listen to a Hugo 2, or Chord Dave shows the evolution....

The Chord Dave is much better, and a 552 can't turn a Hugo into a Dave (I've tried it)

the Chord Dave on the other hand, even a lowly NAC-172 preamp can easily show what it does.

At the very least the 552 deserves a Hugo 2 

Posted on: 16 December 2017 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Yep, listening to it now before heading out the village farm to get a crimbo tree... The only thing I’ve adjusted is slightly turned down the Hugo output level, my 552 appears ever so slightly more sensitive than my previous 252...   

i recently had a long chat with the renown Mr Watts at the Signals event... anyway long story short I will be keeping my Hugo 1 for the time being ....   

Posted on: 16 December 2017 by Sloop John B
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

 

i recently had a long chat with the renown Mr Watts at the Signals event... anyway long story short I will be keeping my Hugo 1 for the time being ....   

Oh you tease!

 

.sjb

Posted on: 16 December 2017 by Bob the Builder
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Yep, listening to it now before heading out the village farm to get a crimbo tree... The only thing I’ve adjusted is slightly turned down the Hugo output level, my 552 appears ever so slightly more sensitive than my previous 252...   

i recently had a long chat with the renown Mr Watts at the Signals event... anyway long story short I will be keeping my Hugo 1 for the time being ....   

Yes I'm very happy with my 2Qute listening to M.Bubble Christmas LP on Tidal and sounds rather good.

Posted on: 19 December 2017 by Simon-in-Suffolk
TOBYJUG posted:

What about your affection for your CDX2. How is that sounding now with the new pre ?

Hi, well this is an interesting one... on various sources the 552 is cracking and sounds superb... Hugo and NAT05 , however right now with my current 552 state of run in, I think the CDX2 nod goes to the 252... I kind of suspect this might change  as the 552 beds in further,  but I would be lieing if I didn’t call it out as it is right now

Posted on: 19 December 2017 by Christopher_M

"call it out". Simon, please get a grip, you are allegedly from Suffolk.

Posted on: 19 December 2017 by fatcat

It’s brutally exposing the inadequacies of the CDX2.

Posted on: 19 December 2017 by Filipe
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
TOBYJUG posted:

What about your affection for your CDX2. How is that sounding now with the new pre ?

Hi, well this is an interesting one... on various sources the 552 is cracking and sounds superb... Hugo and NAT05 , however right now with my current 552 state of run in, I think the CDX2 nod goes to the 252... I kind of suspect this might change  as the 552 beds in further,  but I would be lieing if I didn’t call it out as it is right now

Simon, What if the CDX2 played into an nDAC+XPSDR or Hugo?

Phil

Posted on: 19 December 2017 by nigelb

Just cancelled my order for a new 552 and am sticking with my 252. I am not having a 552 expose my source! Ooh…errr...missus!  

Posted on: 20 December 2017 by Simon-in-Suffolk

.. indeed, Phil, the whole point of the CDX2 is its DSP and DAC, and my original,CDX2 has no digital out... I think it’s more a case of my 552 running in...it certainly has quite a different balance from the 252. The 552 seems to be quite a rollercoaster running in... not experienced run in quite like this before... 

Posted on: 20 December 2017 by Gazza

Simon, straight out of the box was the CDP the source that stood out as the problem, or they all sounded better?

Posted on: 20 December 2017 by Filipe
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

.. indeed, Phil, the whole point of the CDX2 is its DSP and DAC, and my original,CDX2 has no digital out... I think it’s more a case of my 552 running in...it certainly has quite a different balance from the 252. The 552 seems to be quite a rollercoaster running in... not experienced run in quite like this before... 

Thank you Simon

We discussed the CDX2 about 18 months ago when I first got active on the forum. The above was your view then, but I had not twigged yours did not have the spdif output. For various reasons, such as getting the nDAC + XPSDR for TV/DVD sound as well and finding my nDAC demo could not differentiate the SQ sufficiently, I went the other way. 

I have to say I am now very happy with the root I have chosen. Adding the DC1 has made a significant improvement. I think my system would show the difference now and I will try the CDX2 bare soon, but I would hate to have to buy another SL IC!

My dealer has asked Naim to loan a 552, which should arrive after Christmas. He also has a 252, but that disappeared because a customer’s 252 failed. Will try that also when Naim return the customer’s one.

Phil

Posted on: 21 December 2017 by Richieroo

Good points raised here .... the 552 setup combined with say a 500 is rather extreme and intimidating in appearance.... and this is without a source! The 552 is also totally brutal regarding the source .... it will expose the good,bad and ugly. But forgiving all of the above it is a staggeringly good preamp ..... I still find the price shocking!

Posted on: 21 December 2017 by yeti42

Brutal? no I find it quite benign, it seems to get the best out of even mediocre sources, it does tell you about setup errors though.

Posted on: 23 December 2017 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Gazza posted:

Simon, straight out of the box was the CDP the source that stood out as the problem, or they all sounded better?

It’s a moving target.. none sounded bad what so ever, but I was very familiar with the CDX2 combined with the  252 sound, and the new sound was different... however the 552 is a strange beast from effectively new, it really changes... today it’s sound has evolved again and I really like it (lower mid has bizarrely filled out, to the extent I am hearing instrumentation I hadn’t heard before) ... but I know it’s going to evolve further yet before it stabilises.

Posted on: 23 December 2017 by Darke Bear

A new 552, especially a DR version, takes a few months to properly come on-song. It is indeed the Bass that most obviously improves in subjective quantity and quality, but it is in fact everywhere that steadily improves. At three months you have the bulk of the performance but nowhere near all of it - at nine months it sounds significantly and obviously better all-round and that is when you really have the 552 singing, but it continues improving after that too and I'd say it is getting to the peak of its performance after about 12-18 months.

Unless experienced the above will seem silly and crazy, but it is what happens. Why can't it be delivered like that with all this done - well if Naim could warehouse them for a year as they get completed playing music, then perhaps, but we are not that patient!

It is a nice ride with quality Pre-amps from Naim. The 552 is always exciting and capable and just gets better and better with time. If you are concerned about the price, then content yourself it is possible to do the same all over again with the next one up in the hierarchy - it is the same effect all over again with run-in, but think of all that money you have saved with the 'modestly-priced' 552 - now I shall duck.

DB.

Posted on: 23 December 2017 by rsch

According to our local Naim service manager, there is also a technical reason for the above.

The 552 and 555 are literally full of small tantalum capacitors which take ages to come on song.

Regards

Roberto

Posted on: 23 December 2017 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Thanks DB for your words of encouragement....

Posted on: 23 December 2017 by J.N.

I've been following your 552 journey with interest Simon, and the CDX2/552 issue reminds of the chap (recent post) who had his 300 DR'd and was (is still?) irked by a cold/hard sound.

The CDX2 is a visceral beast which tells it like it is. You've now connected it to something else which does the same. As Gary has pointed out, the 552 can take a ludicrously long time to settle down and fully blossom, but it may be that additional demands are being made upon your power-amp, loudspeakers and room acoustics. Sometimes a loudspeaker positional tweak can be required.

My guess is that you hear the 252 'liking' the CDX2 better, because it's a less demanding pre-amp.

All the good stuff is clearly there. You just have to work out how to tame it. The joys of opening the window eh?

Good luck.

John.

 

Posted on: 23 December 2017 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Indeed, and I think it’s simply a case of the 552 running in., and as DB commented, the 552 sound  filling out and warming in colour... the CDX2 is a lovely player and it’s starting to do its stuff again for me....it certainly sounds a lot more insightful with the 552