Tellurium Q Black minimum cable length

No, still keep to 3.5m (and 5m - 7m is preferred sonically).

TQ Black has very similar electrical characteristics to NACA5, NACA4 and Linn K20.

I had always thought as Huge says in his reply but having emailed TQ directly sometime ago, the 3.5 length is not necessary.....that’s with TQ cables...

I would think it wisest to take the advice of the amplifier maker here. Wouldn’t you? 

Was the “someone” on Facebook a representative of Naim, or quoting the actual inductance of the TQ cables in support of their statement? Given that the minimum cable length depends on the inductance then assuming Huge’s awareness of their inductance is correct, then that length is correct - otherwise for a definitive answer, get confirmation of their inductance either from  TQ or by measurement, and assess against Naim’s declared minimum inductance requirement.

The guy was not a Naim representative.

Do you have Facebook, if, go to the official Naim Group, you can follow the conversation.

He had asked Tellurium, they said a lot of Naim Users are using shorter length than 3;5 without any problem.

If you have the old olive ones, you should use 3,5 m, dor the black goxes it dosnt matter, they say.

Well they are wrong!

With most types of speakers you can get away with shorter cables, but the sound will be affected, and with some speakers shorter cables CAN damage the amp.

Just because that particular person doesn't know of any cases, doesn't mean that it hasn't already occurred and that it won't occur in the future.
It simply means that that person has limited knowledge and doesn't properly understand the reason for MINIMUM cable length specified by the amp designers.

themrock posted:

The guy was not a Naim representative.

Do you have Facebook, if, go to the official Naim Group, you can follow the conversation.

He had asked Tellurium, they said a lot of Naim Users are using shorter length than 3;5 without any problem.

If you have the old olive ones, you should use 3,5 m, dor the black goxes it dosnt matter, they say.

Facebook is the spawn of the Devil (IMO)

I found an older thread here on the forum

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...um-q-question?page=1

“I also read in the Forum that Naits are less fuzzy about cable length, but to be on the safe side I emailed Phil from Naim. He didn't confirm these rumours in the Forum, but said that 3.5m minimum (when using NACA5) remained in place for Naits. When using different cables, Phil recommended approaching manufacturers for advice.“

What are Naits?

themrock posted:

I found an older thread here on the forum

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...um-q-question?page=1

“I also read in the Forum that Naits are less fuzzy about cable length, but to be on the safe side I emailed Phil from Naim. He didn't confirm these rumours in the Forum, but said that 3.5m minimum (when using NACA5) remained in place for Naits. When using different cables, Phil recommended approaching manufacturers for advice.“

What are Naits?

NAIm inTegrated amplifiers.

themrock posted:

...When using different cables, Phil recommended approaching manufacturers for advice...

I think what Phil mean't there was to approach the cable manufacturers for advice on the two things that you'll need to know about their cables to judge suitability and length for Naim amplifiers; inductance and capacitance.

Its me again ????

so i read the German manual of the Nap 300 DR, there is no word about minimum cable lenght.

Only that they recommand Naim Cables and that you shouldnt use „ High Capacity“ cables.

Have you read the FAQ?

Speaker Cable for Naim amplifiers

And from the manual did you read this?

No ????

Considering that you have a power amp that costs nearly 8K, I don't think, to be honest, it's wise to be "stingy" when replacing the speaker cable. Just swipe the credit card, and enjoy the music... 

themrock posted:

Its me again ????

so i read the German manual of the Nap 300 DR, there is no word about minimum cable lenght.

Only that they recommand Naim Cables and that you shouldnt use „ High Capacity“ cables.

I think you meant to say "high capacitance'

Naim's 'Power Amp Manual' strangely does not mention cable length, but there is also the 'Amplifier Reference Manual' which says:-

Timo posted:

Considering that you have a power amp that costs nearly 8K, I don't think, to be honest, it's wise to be "stingy" when replacing the speaker cable. Just swipe the credit card, and enjoy the music... 

No its not about the money, its about the look????,i have a 3,5 m Naca 5, but i didnt need that length, i didnt like the „unused“ part of the cable and its such a stiff beast.

But i have now learned my lession, you cant always get what you want????

Btw. could i use a 3,5 m Tellurium, because in the manual is written

“6.3 Loudspeaker Cable and Connectors
Only Naim Audio speaker cable should be used to connect a loudspeaker to the output of the NAP 300.“

You can fold it concertina style and hide it behind something.

If you need to deal with the stiffness, heat it with a hair drier where you need it to bend.

Some NACA5 folding & hiding ideas

Won't those foldings change the inductance and capacitance (presumably increasing it)?

Yes i have done the folding, but dont like the look under the rack, so my dream was to have a shorter one

Beachcomber posted:

Won't those foldings change the inductance and capacitance (presumably increasing it)?

No,  whilst rolling a cable into a circle adds inductance, & more rolls (turns) multiplies it.    Folding,  first one half turn  followed by a half turn in the opposite direction,  cancels the inductance gain.

However even when running it in a coil, the outward current flows in one direction and the return current flows in the opposite direction largely cancelling out the inductance of the coil anyway.

Mike-B

Thanks for posting that - very helpful.

To bring it to an end, its realy crazy.

Seems nobody knows it.

i have contacted Naim Germany, they said from a technical point, no problem to use shorter length than 3,5 meters with a Nap 300 DR, from getting an optimal sound, they advice 3,5 meters as minimum.

Then i thought double check and contacted Naim England, they said 3,5 meter minimum.

themrock posted:

...Seems nobody knows it...

...Then i thought double check and contacted Naim England, they said 3,5 meter minimum...

 

So, at least somebody knows...